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Infection fatality rate of Covid-19 inferred from seroprevalence data [pdf]

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Re: Infection fatality rate of Covid-19 inferred from seroprevalence data [pdf]

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For comparison, from what I've read the typical annual influenza fatality rate is around 0.1% (don't know what the under-70 rate would be). So, this puts covid-19 solidly in the uncanny valley of viral mortality rates; not low enough to be "just like a flu", not high enough to justify shutting down the world. No wonder opinions on it are so divided.

(1) A COVID-19 infection can have long-term effects even in young people. (2) We all have seen the images of hospitals overwhelmed with COVID-19 patients, not having enough breathers, etc. For some reason this doesn't happen with the typical annual influenza ... If you reduce everything to statistics about mortality rates, you are missing very important parts of the picture.

(1) Is generic and not entirely true. Long term effects are indeed present but only in those genetically predisposed. Doesn't apply to the majority.

(2) Actually we didn't. My wife works in a small city hospital. They only have 4 beds with respirators and almost never had more than 2-3 people at a time there. The city is being locked down the second time because we have 5 infected in 20k. We also had in the region of 20 (real) COVID deaths since March. All over 80.

There is no complete picture as all hospitals and clinics have a financial incentive to declare COVID deaths as opposed to anything else. Some do keep internal unofficial stats but even those are rare.

Re: Infection fatality rate of Covid-19 inferred from seroprevalence data [pdf]

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Some people will misinterpret the conclusion. It varies significantly by age brackets not considered in the paper. A 40 year old would be mistaken to assume their fatality chance is 0.31%.

Big time. This is a different disease based on different age brackets.

Under 48 there basically similar chance of dying as the flu.

National health policy should not be based on personal outcomes.

Re: Infection fatality rate of Covid-19 inferred from seroprevalence data [pdf]

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As others say, this is way too much to say "meh", but I do think it needs a rethink of the lockdown strategies.

Lockdowns kill people; people with cancer, people who need surgeries, people who lose income to support themselves. Clearly, so does Covid, and we need to balance it.

Can we do better, as societies, if we aggressively protecting old and vulnerable people, and let fitter people continue with their lives? This can avoid the economic collapse of lockdowns, bring about some degree of herd immunity, and yes, trading some lives saved by lockdown for lives saved by "normality".

Suppose 70% of the society is under 50, and has a IFR of 0.1%. Take UK (65mn people), and suppose everyone in that group gets it. That would lead to 45k fatalities (very close to what was already experienced), plus herd immunity, and lack of economic collapse. It's clearly not so simple, but it's start.

I'm in no position to question the research, but I spoke once to a professor of respiratory diseases at UCL, who quoted that mild Covid cases often do not register in antibody testing (for reasons unclear), so I wonder if even the 0.3% is an overestimate.

Re: Infection fatality rate of Covid-19 inferred from seroprevalence data [pdf]

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Money quote:

> Infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 1.63%, corrected values from 0.00% to 1.54%. Across 51 locations, the median COVID-19 infection fatality rate was 0.27% (corrected 0.23%): the rate was 0.09% in locations with COVID-19 population mortality rates less than the global average ( 500 COVID-19 deaths/million people. In people These ranges are so broad as to be meaningless.

Re: Infection fatality rate of Covid-19 inferred from seroprevalence data [pdf]

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Here's another recent meta-study (preprint) on the same topic: Assessing the Age Specificity of Infection Fatality Rates for COVID-19: Systematic Review, Meta-Analysis, and Public Policy Implications https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.23.20160895v...

Abstract: This paper assesses the age specificity of the infection fatality rate (IFR) for COVID-19 using results from 29 seroprevalence studies as well as five countries that have engaged in comprehensive tracing of COVID-19 cases. The estimated IFR is close to zero for children and younger adults but rises exponentially with age, reaching 0.4% at age 55, 1.4% at age 65, 4.6% at age 75, and 15% at age 85. We find that differences in the age structure of the population and the age-specific prevalence of COVID-19 explain nearly 90% of the geographical variation in population IFR. Consequently, protecting vulnerable age groups could substantially reduce the incidence of mortality.

I think those results are in the same ballpark as what Ioannidis calculates. This isn't good news, really, not for middle-aged-adults anyway.

IFR(age) = 0.1 x 10^((age-82)/20)

Re: Infection fatality rate of Covid-19 inferred from seroprevalence data [pdf]

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This is a different disease based on age brackets. National health policy should not be based on personal outcomes.

> National health policy should not be based on personal outcomes.

I'm not sure I understand what that even means. What should national health policy be based on?

Re: Infection fatality rate of Covid-19 inferred from seroprevalence data [pdf]

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As others say, this is way too much to say "meh", but I do think it needs a rethink of the lockdown strategies. Lockdowns kill people; people with cancer, people who need surgeries, people who lose income to support themselves. Clearly, so does Covid, and we need to balance it. Can we do better, as societies, if we aggressively protecting old and vulnerable people, and let fitter people continue with their lives? Thi…

> Lockdowns kill people

Agreed. But what causes lockdowns? An uncontrolled pandemic. What does uncontrolled pandemic also cause? Collapse of healthcare infrastructure, which is a civil emergency that also results in countless deaths.

Lockdowns, as implemented in places like the US, are a reactive measure because of a system-wide failure to adopt and maintain proactive measures needed to control things. You don’t arrive at “herd immunity” without them, but mass deaths, both from the disease and being unable to receive other routine or emergency healthcare.

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