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Re: How to Hide from a Drone

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Post by names_are_hard » Sat, Oct 17, 2020, 8:22 AM UTC

sheepdestroyer wrote: post #19

asdff wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was such a disturbing video. These men controlling these weapons are just entirely dehumanized. After they mow down the journalists, an unarmed van appears to try and load up the wounded and take them to safety. Then they beg for clearance from command to blow up the van "Come on, let us shoot!" a direct quote; they literally beg to kill them. Then they get their clearance and just blow it all apart. War is trul…

There were two children inside the van. There needs to be harsh accountability for these professional murderous psychopaths.

I don't think the fact that there were children there materially changes the nature of the crime. The adults were innocent as well. Growing older should not mean your life is automatically worth less.

Anyway, holding the soldiers accountable won't actually fix the problem. I think what happened here is the natural outcome of conditions created well before that group of soldiers arrived in the scene.

Re: How to Hide from a Drone

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Post by sbierwagen » Sat, Oct 17, 2020, 8:37 AM UTC

intc wrote: post #12

> It’s smart to avoid using wireless devices like mobile phones or GPS systems, since they have digital signatures... Could someone explain how a GPS receiver (especially one which doesn't utilize DGPS of any sorts) would have any sort of digital signature which could be measured from a drone?

There's a few ways to detect radio receivers, some of them based on listening for incidentally radiated intermediate frequencies (which have to be a multiple of the received frequency) from the amplifier in the receiver: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_detector_van

It would be a heck of a trick to detect a GPS receiver that way, though. Probably be easier just to listen for the RF noise from the switching regulator in the power supply.

Re: How to Hide from a Drone

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Post by alacombe » Sat, Oct 17, 2020, 8:45 AM UTC

noodlesUK wrote: post #11

Whilst I’m sure there are opsec protocols that can do something to protect you from modern (military style) drones, it’s very very very hard to stop an adversary with a nearly unlimited amount of money and incredible technological superiority from keeping their eyes on you once you’re in their sights.

Yet, the US has pretty much been kept at bay from Irak and Afghanistan, go figure... In general, the US army is not equipped for guerilla-style warfare, and especially not on US soil. Local PD are another story on this point, but far less equipped.

Re: How to Hide from a Drone

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Post by squarefoot » Sat, Oct 17, 2020, 8:48 AM UTC

b112 wrote: post #26

b112 wrote: post #25

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https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/12/top-s... It was also known by the likes of William Safire that our satellites could "read the license plates on the cars of Kremlin officials." -- If untrue, please provide a counter source to many of the like statements as cited above. (You may be right, but it seems that many believe you are wrong)

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=nugbAAAAIBAJ&sjid=kFEE... Under 'twenty questions', second column, end of column, under highlights "Big Bird" satellite. Again, you may be right. However there are many claims that this capability existed in the 80s. Suggest you research some of the satellites of the time, including ones which worked on film, and jettisoned rolls of it for terrestrial pickup.

> Again, you may be right. However there are many claims that this capability existed in the 80s.

I wouldn't be surprised if they could do that but there was no proof around to demonstrate it. The military tend to be very secretive about what they can do because by revealing it they would implicitly give hints on what they cannot do.

Re: How to Hide from a Drone

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Post by StavrosK » Sat, Oct 17, 2020, 8:59 AM UTC

names_are_hard wrote: post #30

asdff wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was such a disturbing video. These men controlling these weapons are just entirely dehumanized. After they mow down the journalists, an unarmed van appears to try and load up the wounded and take them to safety. Then they beg for clearance from command to blow up the van "Come on, let us shoot!" a direct quote; they literally beg to kill them. Then they get their clearance and just blow it all apart. War is trul…

Agreed. To me the most disturbing part of the video is how the soldiers have become distended and desensitized from killing. They talk as if they are playing a video game.

I mean, they are, since murdering a human has exactly the same consequences to them as playing a videogame (none).

Re: How to Hide from a Drone

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Post by hk__2 » Sat, Oct 17, 2020, 9:01 AM UTC

doctorfoo wrote: post #23

sheepdestroyer wrote: post #19

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There were two children inside the van. There needs to be harsh accountability for these professional murderous psychopaths.

Instead, those responsible for revealing it have spent considerable time, and still are, in jail.

> Instead, those responsible for revealing it have spent considerable time, and still are, in jail.

Not entirely true: Chelsea Manning was released in 2017.

Re: How to Hide from a Drone

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Post by aiyodev » Sat, Oct 17, 2020, 9:19 AM UTC

Missing from this conversation is the use of drones as weapons. We’re used to thinking of drones as tools of government surveillance. But ISIS and Iranian backed groups have been using off-the-shelf drones with 3d printed parts to make airborne IEDs. It’s not hard to imagine white supremacist militia groups using them in the United States to carry out terrorist attacks.

Re: How to Hide from a Drone

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Post by ezconnect » Sat, Oct 17, 2020, 9:27 AM UTC

01100011 wrote: post #3

I don't know if it would be effective at hiding you beyond the next few years when more comprehensive systems are in place, but I think a simple circuit that randomly blinks an IR LED would be handy. Something like an an LED throwie, but with random cycling. Put a bunch of them around and you'll probably screw up most cheap CCDs by forcing them to constantly adjust their exposure. Sure, a cheap filter can defeat them…

I also thought of this and how do military hide from satellites. Do they use powerful lasers to saturate photon sensors. Since military satellites have existed for so long now military probably implemented a way to hide from them.

Re: How to Hide from a Drone

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Post by XMPPwocky » Sat, Oct 17, 2020, 9:38 AM UTC

ezconnect wrote: post #38

01100011 wrote: post #3

I don't know if it would be effective at hiding you beyond the next few years when more comprehensive systems are in place, but I think a simple circuit that randomly blinks an IR LED would be handy. Something like an an LED throwie, but with random cycling. Put a bunch of them around and you'll probably screw up most cheap CCDs by forcing them to constantly adjust their exposure. Sure, a cheap filter can defeat them…

I also thought of this and how do military hide from satellites. Do they use powerful lasers to saturate photon sensors. Since military satellites have existed for so long now military probably implemented a way to hide from them.

Ceilings, and (knowing when satellites are passing overhead) when things need to be under ceilings.

Re: How to Hide from a Drone

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Post by sheepdestroyer » Sat, Oct 17, 2020, 9:54 AM UTC

names_are_hard wrote: post #31

sheepdestroyer wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were two children inside the van. There needs to be harsh accountability for these professional murderous psychopaths.

I don't think the fact that there were children there materially changes the nature of the crime. The adults were innocent as well. Growing older should not mean your life is automatically worth less. Anyway, holding the soldiers accountable won't actually fix the problem. I think what happened here is the natural outcome of conditions created well before that group of soldiers arrived in the scene.

Holding the soldiers, individually and their superiors, accountable would not make the problem worse.