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In a month / year / etc when this thread gets deleted, there'll just be a HN comments section speculating about a missing twitter thread. The least we could do here is ask posters to capture the thread in a blog post along with a summary of points, so it doesn't have to be re-created in the comments here. This is potentially an important post that we want a historical record of, and Twitter is just not built for that.
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"thank you" is a pretty low price for software.
I think thatguyagain is making a good point about infinite regress. Should we all add a thank you to our github pages, thanking every dependency, library, framework, to Stroustrup, to Stallman, to Linus, and to John von Neumann?
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> with a clause excluding multi billion dollar companies. Every multi billion dollar company: runs subsidiary to not trigger legal threshold. They probably do it anyway for tax purposes.
You can exclude companies that have multi billion company in their tree.
Basically unless you put a non-commercial license on it, any effort to limit its use will be easily circumvented.
Congrats, your work was good enough to turn into a commercial project by a major top 3 cloud provider. That would make me feel like I would stand a little taller! You basically created a new AWS service, as v1, that's pretty cool to add to a CV ;) Just be patient, and make sure you figure out the colour of your Lambo now.
The Lambo bit is rubbing salt in the wound, because the author isn't actually benefiting financially from this at all. Amazon is taking all of the profits. How's he supposed to compete against them?
Open source is getting perverse. Individual developers spend their free time developing a solution without making as much as a cent, while giant corporations are making billions on it. How did that become a thing?
It became a "thing" because the incentives of FOSS software are to maximize developer freedom, not to ensure compensation for the developer. That doesn't change when the "developer" is a trillion dollar corporation.
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Honestly, this point is kind of nonsense to me. If people acted as if they were held to the higher standard, we would not need licenses. People (especially when they're not acting alone, e.g. corporations) act in their monetary interest, most of the time. Hence, stick to the license that's least restrictive that still ticks all the boxes you feel are important. If you feel attribution is important, choose a license t…
If I suggest an idea from a coworker in a meeting as if it was mine, that move would be seen, at the very least, as somewhat rude. If I got that idea from examining the competition, that would be seen as a smart move. Sure, if attribution is a requirement then the natural thing to do is to turn it into a legal requirement . But I don't think that is the discussion here. It comes down to how we want to treat open sour…
In a few places I worked at, this was just par for the course. It's all in the (corporate) game.
As much as decent, polite, and courteous people do exist (and I try to be one of them), it's a fact of life that assholes exist, and they often prosper on the back of such decent people.
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They did the legal bare minimum in terms of attribution, but you're very unlikely to find it unless you're looking for it. I don't usually read through files like ~/.config/chromium/Default/Extensions/bhdnlmmgiplmbcdmkkdfplenecpegfno/0.0.1_0/NOTICE.txt (though perhaps I should).
That’s to be expected then, the legal bare minimum.
I told them that if they wanted me to submit it on Thursday, they shouldn't've set the boundary for Friday at midnight. That didn't go over too well.
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Yes I remember there was a similar scenario with Microsoft as well. > In other words, I'm not aware of a permissive license that's the same as BSD/Apache with the only difference in that also says "use it as you wish but you must mention my name when you're a commercial enterprise making a splashy product announcement". Yes. What we need is ABSD, AMIT or AAPL where the first A stands for appreciation / Attribution
Oh the good old companies paying in exposure... If you make a profit from using someone else software you should pay them (plus appropriate tax) regardless of the software license.
I'm extremely disappointed to see how many comments on here focus on the very narrow legal questions and amount to: "Your license didn't say they couldn't." Open source software is more than a license and code. It is a community and the digital public square. And the Tragedy of the Commons is just as applicable to our public square as it is to William Forster Lloyd's common land. Either we as a community hold ourselv…
I see what you mean, but in this particular case, there are licenses that explicitly require the sort of attribution that the tweeter was asking for - e.g. the BSD license with the "advertising clause", or maybe the AGPL. For some reason, open source developers are choosing not to use these licenses, and complaining about it later. If it were the case that AWS broke some unspoken social convention that is hard to leg…
It looks like Matt Asay, the lead for the open source and marketing team at AWS, has already reached out and said he's looking into it (and thanked Tim for the contribution).
I think there's generally a cultural norm to recognize an individual's contributions in general, especially when freely given.
If the comments on here largely echoed that sentiment and demonstrated that it was a cultural norm, expect AWS (and others) to be more likely to adhere to it in the future — it costs almost nothing, but there's definitely a value in having a positive reputation.
We do have the capacity as a community to define and uphold such cultural norms. Laws and licenses are not as binary as code.
> Oh @awscloud I really do :Two hearts: you! But next time you fork my OS project https://github.com/checkly/headless-recorder and present it as your new service, give the maintainers a short "nice job, kids" or something. Not necessary as per the APLv2 license, but still, ya know? He is only nicely and asking for recognition/attribution while acknowledging that it's not required per licence. I don't know why people…