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Re: AWS forked my project and launched it as its own service

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Post by RankingMember »

tomrod wrote: post #120
LoSboccacc wrote: post #53

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no? why would they? they are complying with everything dude asked for and mind reading is not in mandatory training as of yet. if you want a nod if used as a part of a software, just add it!

It's good practice to cite your sources. Even if you're strictly legal, being ethical doesn't hurt.

It seems they did, just in a not obvious place. The thing with legal documents is that, if it's not in the document, you can't expect it to be adhered to. This gets hairy when opposing parties have different ideas of what "norms" are, aka "unspoken/unwritten expectations", as we see here.

Re: AWS forked my project and launched it as its own service

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Post by rbanffy »

segfaultbuserr wrote: post #174
ksec wrote: post #63

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Yes I remember there was a similar scenario with Microsoft as well. > In other words, I'm not aware of a permissive license that's the same as BSD/Apache with the only difference in that also says "use it as you wish but you must mention my name when you're a commercial enterprise making a splashy product announcement". Yes. What we need is ABSD, AMIT or AAPL where the first A stands for appreciation / Attribution

Congratulations, you've just reinvented the original BSD-4 license! It included what was called the "obnoxious advertising clause". > 3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software must display the following acknowledgement: This product includes software developed by the . There's a good reason why we no longer use BSD-4 anymore. https://www.gnu.org/licenses/bsd.html > The result is a pleth…

Maybe BSD4 is a good license in this case. I'd prefer AGPL, but then AWS would probably just avoid it.

Re: AWS forked my project and launched it as its own service

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Post by BurningFrog »

duckerude wrote: post #127
code4tee wrote: post #97

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If you read further down the Twitter thread you’ll see others point out that AWS actually DID acknowledge him in the release and thus his original rant isn’t accurate. He acknowledges that later in the thread. Of course the, now inaccurate, headline Tweet remains the thing getting attention.

They did the legal bare minimum in terms of attribution, but you're very unlikely to find it unless you're looking for it. I don't usually read through files like ~/.config/chromium/Default/Extensions/bhdnlmmgiplmbcdmkkdfplenecpegfno/0.0.1_0/NOTICE.txt (though perhaps I should).

Still, as the original author, you can point to the attribution to prove your claim.

Re: AWS forked my project and launched it as its own service

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Post by rbanffy »

hashkb wrote: post #106
numlock86 wrote: post #52

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> There are some replies in this thread that misunderstood the content of Tim Nolet's twitter post. > [...] (reasons) Well, then why go on something as big and public like Twitter and HN to post about it in the first place? Send a mail to the team of AWS and get in touch. I don't get the point of this tweet, either.

Fear of bad PR is the most effective way to motivate larger American companies.

How well is that working for Amazon warehouse workers?

Re: AWS forked my project and launched it as its own service

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Post by johncena33 »

cmaker10 wrote: post #48

Could everyone take a moment here and reflect on their hostile attitude towards an open source author who just wants to be treated fairly (in a moral sense)? My guess is that none of the people who are lecturing and gloating have ever written anything substantial. Shame on you.

The issue here is HN loves Amazon. That's why you are seeing the hostility. If it was Google doing that, I can guarantee you the HN response would be radically different.

Re: AWS forked my project and launched it as its own service

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Post by toyg »

tinus_hn wrote: post #122
lwh wrote: post #95

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The original BSD license had this "advertising clause" and it was removed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_licenses#4-clause_license_... Personally I'd rather have their source be released like AGPL, as that would credit the authors and let me see their changes.

Because it’s a great idea but for instance the Linux kernel would have to come with documentation that mentions the tens of thousands of authors. A massive undertaking that doesn’t help anyone, really.

> doesn’t help anyone, really

Anyone except the contributors themselves who would forever get a piece of the Linux fame, but they are just like, free labor, amirite? /s

Re: AWS forked my project and launched it as its own service

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Post by rbanffy »

tinus_hn wrote: post #122
lwh wrote: post #95

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The original BSD license had this "advertising clause" and it was removed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_licenses#4-clause_license_... Personally I'd rather have their source be released like AGPL, as that would credit the authors and let me see their changes.

Because it’s a great idea but for instance the Linux kernel would have to come with documentation that mentions the tens of thousands of authors. A massive undertaking that doesn’t help anyone, really.

Linux is GPL and I doubt it would have tens of thousands of authors if it were not.

It would have a dozen proprietary forks.

Re: AWS forked my project and launched it as its own service

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Post by jd_mongodb »

bdcravens wrote: post #169
thatguyagain wrote: post #137

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Are people really expecting the devs at AWS to give a "thank you" to every third party developer out there who's code they use? This is just ridiculous. When does this become an obligation? Is there an unwritten rule of how large/successful a team has to be before they need to give thank's like this?

No, but they do it typically: "Announcing AWS X, our implementation of {open source project}" (they do this with MongoDB, ActiveMQ, etc). The product mentioned here is more than just a managed version of the open source project; it is a major component however. (good example is Redshift, though when they announced it they barely mentioned the role Postgresql plays in that to be honest) https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aw…

Import to realise that the DocumentDB (Amazon's MongoDB emulation) is not based on the MongoDB code base.
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