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Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by collyw »

hef19898 wrote: post #889
collyw wrote: post #881

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There are a lot more than one case in the UK. The fact you can only find one seems that the cover up has worked. https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/839509/Britain-towns-citie...

Get a grip on reality, jumping from an non-Brit doing a 5 sec Google search and maybe 10 sec headline reading to the conclussion that some mind cover-up exists and works is really sad...

You flatter yourself thinking that you had that much influence over my opinions. The government have done research on this and keep flip flopping on whether this will be released to the public (currently not). Doesn't that sound like a cover up to you?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grooming-gan...

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by hef19898 »

collyw wrote: post #891
hef19898 wrote: post #889

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get a grip on reality, jumping from an non-Brit doing a 5 sec Google search and maybe 10 sec headline reading to the conclussion that some mind cover-up exists and works is really sad...

You flatter yourself thinking that you had that much influence over my opinions. The government have done research on this and keep flip flopping on whether this will be released to the public (currently not). Doesn't that sound like a cover up to you? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grooming-gan...

No, simply becasue they are publicly talking about it. Not much of a cover up, it seems. Especially since the government is headed by Johnson, who I would suspect to be first one to publish such things.

But whatever.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by collyw »

hef19898 wrote: post #892
collyw wrote: post #891

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You flatter yourself thinking that you had that much influence over my opinions. The government have done research on this and keep flip flopping on whether this will be released to the public (currently not). Doesn't that sound like a cover up to you? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grooming-gan...

No, simply becasue they are publicly talking about it. Not much of a cover up, it seems. Especially since the government is headed by Johnson, who I would suspect to be first one to publish such things. But whatever.

The report still hasn't been published after months.

Or how about MPs telling victims to keep their mouths shut for the sake of diversity. It certainly gives me the opinion that they are trying to cover it up.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4813870/MP-shares-T...

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by antepodius »

marbletiles wrote: post #689
Nasrudith wrote: post #613

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Funny how consequences always means bad ones, "people who say something I don't like get the stick!" and then later "I never thought I would get the stick sobs person brutalized with stick!". Free speech is sancrosanct for a reason.

Where do you get the idea that free speech means "freedom from consequences"? You're allowed to say offensive things, but you're not immune from (eg) getting fired for it

You're free to say what you want- but not from the secret police hauling you off to a gulag for it.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by antepodius »

Fnoord wrote: post #484
owlbynight wrote: post #174

I'll preface this by stating that I hate the idea of censorship and I always have. However, were I to happen across someone motionless on the floor with a needle in their arm, I would give them NARCAN instead of a ride to a rehab center. I'm from the United States. Social media is currently poisoning our country to a degree that I think it may be too late to try and draw out the fight for free speech by using free sp…

You don't have free speech on a platform like YouTube. It is Google's walled garden, with Google's set of rules. Free speech and censorship is for and by the government, and it was never absolute to begin with; always been a nuance.

Free speech as an ideal is older than the US government. It means limiting negative consequences for people speaking their minds.

Also, when FAANG eats the world, Google/Facebook's moderation team becomes a de facto arm of the local government.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by hyperdimension »

TeaDrunk wrote: post #777
ghufran_syed wrote: post #769

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You’re right, I was confusing the two issues. But this article from the cbc with commentary from two legal experts isn’t completely reassuring: > Does the bill legislate the use of certain language? And could someone go to jail for using the wrong pronoun? >In the Criminal Code, which does not reference pronouns, Cossman says misusing pronouns alone would not constitute a criminal act. >“The misuse of gender pronouns…

Hey thanks for educating me about this. I dunno why my inquiry was downvoted (was it not additive to ask for more sourcing?) but I did want to say genuinely I appreciate actual law I can point to and track over time. Has it been used to prosecute anyone that you're aware of, or how has it been applied in courts? Thanks again!

Sources certainly can add some factual, concrete evidence to someone's argument to ask for a source or two.

That being said, I think some just near-reflexively reply 'Source? Source?' as a sort of low-effort 'rebuttal' by implying it's just, like, your opinion, man when they haven't necessarily come up with a well-thought-out argument.

I won't disagree that well-sourced arguments add much to a discussion, especially if you're not well-informed about the topic at hand.

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But don't worry about the down-votes. It happens, who can know for sure why, they don't really matter, and if you're earnest in your comments, you'll almost always going to end up in the black. :)

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by antepodius »

owlbynight wrote: post #748
wavepruner wrote: post #714

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The argument you're making is common and always boils down to this belief: "most people are too stupid to discern the truth" History shows this to belief to be incorrect, and instead shows that any central power holding this belief will eventually commit terrible crimes against humanity. A small group of "intelligent" people can not possibly out-compute billions of humans' brain processing power.

I don't think people are too stupid to discern the truth. I think a lot of people are too overwhelmed by the minutia of navigating their own stressful lives to handle a deluge of lies designed by expert propagandists to be easier and more appealing for them to consume than the truth. The difference is that these aren't leaflets being dropped from the sky on a village of a few hundred people. These lies that span our…

What makes you so sure your mind hasn't been pwned in an analogous way targeted towards smarter/more sophisticated demographics? A priori, I would expect more educated people to be more easily controlled/brainwashed; that's what the original point of education was- to inclcate a certain ideology/worldview.

The people on facebook get weak waves of brainwashing targeted via algorithm; people in universities get a more powerful version of the same.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by [deleted] »

quotemstr wrote: post #572
concordDance wrote: post #301

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> Social media is currently poisoning our country to a degree that I think it may be too late to try and draw out the fight for free speech by using free speech alone. Why do people think this? A few selected anecdotes and some tiny numbers (1000 people liking a post talking about covid causing 5G? Tiny numbers)? What is the end-game that is so feared? If the people as a whole can't be trusted to make sensible decisi…

> abolish democracy and copy the Chinese system. That's exactly what a bunch of serious and respectable people want to do: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/what-covid... "In the debate over freedom versus control of the global network, China was largely correct, and the U.S. was wrong." This is what influential people in the US actually believe and tech policy people follow along.

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