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Re: AWS forked my project and launched it as its own service

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> Not necessary as per the APLv2 license The conversation ends there, doesn't it?

However, if a company that uses some OSS stuff is not under a moral obligation to do so? If not so, then why do we do OSS with licenses? Why not just Copyright everything?

Re: AWS forked my project and launched it as its own service

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post #13

Why choose to publish open source if you then complain about people using your code? If he didn't want that, he should've used a non-commercial clause I assume he personally thanked all of the technologies that he's used as well?

Because all the author wanted was credit, and there's no appropriate license for that. The 4 clause BSD license has dropped out of favor for several good reasons and nothing else has taken its place.

Re: AWS forked my project and launched it as its own service

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If you don't like the terms of the license for software you released maybe you should have chosen a different one.

There's surely a space between "perfectly acceptable" and "illegal"? I don't like this idea that you have no right to complain about something if you haven't specifically banned it in a legally enforceable license.

That's the way corporations have acted forever.

If attribution is needed, put it in the license.

Re: AWS forked my project and launched it as its own service

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It does seem like the license should have asked for a mention if that's what he wanted.

However. He has every right to point out that they are using his code. And I think it would be at least polite to mention that, and it is in my opinion impolite not to mention it.

And actually a little misleading when they don't mention using an open source system that is similar.

And it's not like the fact that he didn't say that in his license means he is not allowed to mention he made that software.

So I think better late than never, put the requirements you want in the license for credit. Or go AGPL or whatever. Although obviously that's not retroactive on the previous version.

This also proves that someone thinks it's a business. So I feel like there might be an opportunity to launch a competitor, with a main advantage that they have the actual talent that created the system.

Re: AWS forked my project and launched it as its own service

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's surely a space between "perfectly acceptable" and "illegal"? I don't like this idea that you have no right to complain about something if you haven't specifically banned it in a legally enforceable license.

For big companies, there's no distinction between "morally acceptable" and "legal". Stick to a license where what's immoral to you is made illegal.

I don't think that's entirely true. Large companies respond to public pressure over things all the time. Some of the better run ones also take the initiative to do things ethically off the bat. If a large company is treating "legal" as "morally acceptable" then we should be calling them out on this, not accepting as part of being a large company.

We should certainly also update legislation to force them to do things ethically, but it's not always possible to cover every possible case and thus our society depends on at least some level of corporate ethics.

Re: AWS forked my project and launched it as its own service

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> Not necessary as per the APLv2 license The conversation ends there, doesn't it?

Not really. The conversation goes on as long as we like. Part of OSS is about trust and reputation. AWS could have really helped the maintainer with a single sentence and they didn't. It's like not saying thanks to the barista when you get your coffee. Not the end of the world, but it's still a touch rude.

When you are a huge company you have to be careful about saying thanks to Barista.

Maybe the developers would like to say thanks to barista but lawyers said to the developers to not talk to the barista no matter what since it's safer to say nothing than risk saying something wrong.

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