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The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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I don't think border changes are a good measure of conflict. Iraq's border hasn't changed since the fall of the Ottoman Empire, and it's had plenty of well known conflict since then. > I guess lessons have expiration dates. We're going to have to relearn this one. Which lesson are you talking about? The lessons we should have learned after the League of Nations collapsed?

Border changes aren't a measure of conflict, and preventing conflict is not the ultimate goal. Preventing total/nuclear war between major power is the goal. Border changes are (were) the way conflicts escalated into the great wars. This why "aggression," the one international "law" that is taken seriously basically means border violations. The few non voluntary border changes since the late 40s (eg crimea, the west b…

This is completely rewriting history. The purpose of the UN is quite literally:

> To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace

That is directly copy pasted from the UN founding charter, it goes on to talk about friendly relations, cooperation and harmony. You can read the rest here if you like:

https://www.un.org/en/sections/un-charter/chapter-i/index.ht...

The only lesson that the UN has learned from the LON, is that if you kick countries out for breaking the rules, then the whole thing falls apart. So in those situations, the UN takes the approach of doing nothing.

> It's not even designed to do last minute conflict resolution. It is designed to take the motive/gain out of war.

This is also rewriting history. The reason we haven't had a major conflict since WWII is because every country capable of creating one has nukes now, and nobody wants to get into a major conflict with a country that has nukes. The reason the US and USSR never got into a direct conflict during the cold war was because they both had nukes, not because the USSR was a member of the UN. Kennedy and Khrushchev resolved the Cuban Missile Crisis together (without the help of the UN incidentally) because neither of them wanted to be nuked, not because they were worried about the other one complaining to the UN.

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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One possibility is that some economic pressure can be brought to bear by a Biden administration, perhaps in concert with other Western countries. Edited to add: This statement is political, but the genocide against Uyghurs is political too, and if we want to hold our leaders accountable to doing something about it, we need to acknowledge facts. Trump had previously indicated he wasn't interested in letting such matte…

What exactly is political about genocide? Genocide is a byproduct of ideological derangement. American corporations are beholden to China’s massive market and Biden is beholden to American corporations. It is far more likely that Biden capitulates to China than puts any economic pressure on them.

Mutual hatred is a powerful unifying force, it is not beyond dictators to use this as a tool to enhance their power. You shouldn’t take autocrats at face value, their public interaction is much more staged for effect than people seem to believe. In that way, genocide is just another political trick.

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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I don't understand what's the point of UN when these things are happening in a permanent UNSC member country. This C has been causing nuisance to their neighbors all the time. They Debt-Trap poor nations and exploit them. From Mongols to India, every neighbor has a problem, they are probably most worst neighbor you could get. Recently it was in news with yet another conflict with India[1]. This needs to stop. Entire…

May I ask what's wrong with the vacation? There was very, very few cases in China recently, and the 600M Chinese vacation are almost entirely domestic travel.

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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> This is absurd. As a brown immigrant Muslim looking person, not only do I feel safer in the US than I would in China, I feel safer here than in France. Do muslim looking persons in muslim countries feel equally well protected from America? > Americans aren’t frothing at the mouth to ban Islamic religious clothing while schoolgirls in France have to remove their headscarves. That sounds like more progressive. Do wom…

The idea that Muslim women in general are wearing headscarves because their "fathers/spouses" would beat them otherwise is a slur, and has no place here.

Or a reality for millions of women, that we conveniently hide under the carpet (after all it doesn't affect us, and we get to play "tolerant" and "open minded" to foreign customs)...

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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The idea that Muslim women in general are wearing headscarves because their "fathers/spouses" would beat them otherwise is a slur, and has no place here.

Or a reality for millions of women, that we conveniently hide under the carpet (after all it doesn't affect us, and we get to play "tolerant" and "open minded" to foreign customs)...

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Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Not to defend China, but the restitution of HK was agreed since long ago. And it would be naive to believe China wouldn’t have started to annex the city back, the last symbol of British colonial domination and the defeat of the Opium War. Of course there’s no winner here, only losers...

> it would be naive to believe China wouldn’t have started to annex the city back Does that make it okay then?

> Of course there’s no winner here, only losers

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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The US has concentration camps for blacks, native americans and immigrants, where they reeducate you to follow a tyrannical political system? Are they tracked through a social credit system where you can't get a train out of your town if it's bad? Where journalists repeteadly disappear? Where a treaty with the UK is ripped up and a city is invaded? Yeah. Accurate.

When is it called a "prison" and when is it called a "concentration camp"?

sad part in this question is "there is not much difference" because everything depends on what laws were broken to be put inside of that institution.

you may have law which makes being muslim illegal and put in jail. and that jail will become "concentration camp", but only if you view it from outside of that country.

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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> A report claims women in immigration centers are being given unnecessary procedures that can leave them unable to conceive. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/21/unwanted-hys...

That’s disturbing. Still, unlike in China there are lawmakers publicly trying to stop it, and we are free to speak & write about it and say that it’s wrong

attempt is not same as elimination of problem. probably in China there are people who protest against persecution of uighurs too, but we don't see it.

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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When does something become a crime against humanity? Is terrorism, like handful of men and women just stabbing random people with kitchen knives on a train station, is that a crime against humanity? What do you do, when a group of people constantly advocate for such crimes?

By that logic, what should the world do if a country is violating basic human rights of over a million people?

What is a basic human right? If you have a community of a million humans that constantly cause trouble, stab random people, blow themselves up, drive through crowds of people to make a quasi political-religious statement, doesn't that merit some kind of bad treatment?

You reap what you sow. I am sorry, but the last decade of islamic terrorism, senseless killings of innocent people, of KIDS infront of their families, like the christmas market drivetroughs we have had here in europe, I just have no sympathy for humans that subscribe to islamism. Sorry! The glass is empty. You can't do vile inhuman stuff on a regular basis and then cry human rights - Its hypocrisy on such a level that only religious people can display such ingracious and dishonest behaviour!

I can really understand why some obscure sect of radical islamists get mistreated in China. What I cannot fathom is why globalist NGOs work so hard at bringing unending islamic migration to europe. Look! I can understand why Junckers of EU wants to bring in millions of Africans (and thereby commit genocide on the european population, as per UNs own definition) in order to subvert the african continent into some kind of unholy union where we will have "1.8billion consoomers" as he so graciously puts it. What I cannot understand is the love for islam, that shows absolutely no love for any other group or religion. There isn't a level of the average European society that isnt deeply affected by islamic immigration! Its rediculous. Where is my human rights to be left alone by religious nutjobs and questionable cousin on cousin breeding, clan traditions, honor killings, segregation, religious demonstrations, crime, grooming gang scandals, weapon and grenade attacks and I could go on. This isn't even the tip of the iceberg!

The only tears I have for the cries of human rights, is crying laughter. Why is it always the most inhumane groups of people who calls for human rights? If you want to be treated like a human, start acting like one.

The worst of all of this human rights nonsense, is that in south africa, they are literally chanting "kill the Boer" while almost everyday, another family gets slaughtered and raped, and no one as much as bats an eye, no media mention, probably because it doesn't resonate too well with all that BLM subversion.

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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“Here's my strategy on the Cold War: we win, they lose.” ― Ronald Reagan I think it's becoming clearer and clearer that this strategy has to be adopted with China as well. They are out to win, to dominate the world, and they won't back down, and they will use any method to do it. And ask yourself if the world you see inside China is what you want spreading.

Worth noting that when Reagan was saying that the Soviets were actually absolutely terrified of US aggression - to the point where the almost started a pre-emptive nuclear war to stop it. However, to Reagan's credit he did tone things down a bit when it was explained to him that the Soviets really did think the US would attack them.

To be fair, far more US boots have been on USSR soil than USSR boots on US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Rus...

(learned when I was wondering why the US had had war propaganda offices devoted to Arkhangelsk and Vladivostok)

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