Shipping .exe and .dll directly in github source repo?
It looks like the author was trying to crowd-fund open-sourcing this project: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/c-smile/open-source-sci... I think we'd be better off trying to slim down Chromium or reviving the idea of using the built-in OS WebView control (which is mostly Chromium nowadays anyway), at least that would be a standard web environment.
ElectronJS alternative: SciterJS – HTML/CSS/JS in 4.5 MB executable
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Re: ElectronJS alternative: SciterJS – HTML/CSS/JS in 4.5 MB executable
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For $100K in total, a tiny marketing budget those companies could have shown some good will towards Open Source. I wonder if the author actually contacted those companies. That is less than $3K from each of those customers listed.
Given the author wants to release Sciter under GPL, unless twice as many funds are raised, I fail to see the incentive for any company to fund this. GPL + commercial licensing model changes nothing for commercial product developers.
If the project ever fizzled away they would probably just maintain it themselves, or migrate to Electron. Actually, it's not like these AV companies are known for their high quality product, so it wouldn't surprise me if they would just let it bitrot until there are exploitable holes.
Re: ElectronJS alternative: SciterJS – HTML/CSS/JS in 4.5 MB executable
#43Re: ElectronJS alternative: SciterJS – HTML/CSS/JS in 4.5 MB executable
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It depends on what you're looking for. It's similar to other third-party component libraries out there. There are open source and closed source ones. With the closed source ones you can take a leap of faith and trust the developer of the project, how it's documented, what it does, and decide whether or not to use it. If you submit to an app store, they can decide whether to approve it. There are closed-source third-p…
> It depends on what you're looking for. Security, for starters. There is no way around this. > It's similar to other third-party component libraries out there. There are open source and closed source ones. You're trying to side-step the fact that a random user uploaded binaries that were crafted to do god knows what to the host's computer in a way that circumvents basic auditing and security checks, and did so while…
Re: ElectronJS alternative: SciterJS – HTML/CSS/JS in 4.5 MB executable
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> It depends on what you're looking for. Security, for starters. There is no way around this. > It's similar to other third-party component libraries out there. There are open source and closed source ones. You're trying to side-step the fact that a random user uploaded binaries that were crafted to do god knows what to the host's computer in a way that circumvents basic auditing and security checks, and did so while…
"a random user" is the developer of Sciter, which is the UI engine used by practically every antivirus software on the planet. This is just a demo of his new project that combines Sciter with a JS engine. He only provided demo binaries because he is running a crowdfunding campaign to release the opensource version.
Re: ElectronJS alternative: SciterJS – HTML/CSS/JS in 4.5 MB executable
#46What prevents me from even looking at this link is the 4.5MB executable. Come on. Have you tried to download that amount of data using a spotty mobile connection?
Re: ElectronJS alternative: SciterJS – HTML/CSS/JS in 4.5 MB executable
#47Re: ElectronJS alternative: SciterJS – HTML/CSS/JS in 4.5 MB executable
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
For $100K in total, a tiny marketing budget those companies could have shown some good will towards Open Source. I wonder if the author actually contacted those companies. That is less than $3K from each of those customers listed.
Given the author wants to release Sciter under GPL, unless twice as many funds are raised, I fail to see the incentive for any company to fund this. GPL + commercial licensing model changes nothing for commercial product developers.
Re: ElectronJS alternative: SciterJS – HTML/CSS/JS in 4.5 MB executable
#49checkout how conformant QuickJS is with the modern ES standards https://test262.report/ (especially compared with other engines developed by big teams and companies behind them) Fabrice Bellard is a genius, and I really don't like using this word.
Yeah, I read about a cool tech and half the time he's behind it. When I learned about the rocketman flying near an airport a few weeks ago I was surprised it wasn't him testing his new rocket engine 3d printed in his basement! ;)
Re: ElectronJS alternative: SciterJS – HTML/CSS/JS in 4.5 MB executable
#50Please, please stop comparing built in platform webviews and alternatives like Sciter to Electron. You can hate on Electron all you want (I do too) but it's a totally different beast to almost all these other solutions. It's all fun and games until you realize that to get half the junk Electron throws you for free, you'll wind up building it yourself in these solutions.
Arguments like these are a lot more compelling when they include some specific features that are missing. Too often, "includes everything you need for free!" translates to "weighs down your binary with a hundred megabytes of functionality no one actually uses."