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Post by surge »

hhw wrote: post #905
marcusverus wrote: post #705

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's fascinating to see papers like Washington Post turn their noses up at the Post story because they haven't independently corroborated it, yet they were immediately citing the NYT Tax story as gospel with no indication that they had independently corroborated the legitimacy of that evidence (I tracked down their first articles on the topic via Google News and found nothing indicating that they were able to indepen…

The New York Post doesn't have a great track record on being factually accurate though, whereas the Washington Post can reasonably assume articles published by the New York Times have undergone some reasonable standard of fact checking (even if imperfect), so it's not a reasonable comparison.

NYT has become increasingly click baitish, and leaves out facts and mis-frames stories all the time. They publish opinion pieces as if they were factual, and and leave out key facts in stories or add opinion in to frame it in a way no reasonable person looking at the hard evidence would assume is the case.

They've lost their standards a while ago. The difference with these papers is they use the same tricks other papers do, they just write in a more "intellectual" fashion so you never question it because you feel smarter just reading it. But you go check multiple sources and you find there is the same kind of spin and framing you'd expect from Fox News on a topic.

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Post by shureluck »

Karrot_Kream wrote: post #904
rayiner wrote: post #89

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The “professional journalists” aren’t that great either. The field has been overtaken by 20 year olds. Even Matt Yglesias, who has spent most of his career to the left of Democrats as a whole, has been grumbling on his podcast about journalists these days failing to respect the difference between journalism and advocacy. Matt Taibbi (who I don’t like as a person but who is at least a real journalist) has written an e…

> The “professional journalists” aren’t that great either. The field has been overtaken by 20 year olds. Is ageism really a valid critique on professional journalism?

Works for me. Ill allow it.

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Post by Const-me »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #630
AzzieElbab wrote: post #407

Kudos to BBC for covering this. All US outlets other than FoxNews(obviously) are keeping quiet. Which is a shame, this is history in the making

Fox News has plenty of articles on the matter. Can you explain?

>> All US outlets other than FoxNews (obviously)

> Fox News has plenty of articles on the matter

Right.

> Can you explain?

Not 100% sure, but I think you wrote your reply without reading the complete comment you were replying to.

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Post by donmcronald »

holler wrote: post #73
hackinthebochs wrote: post #55

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I have been pretty vocal about being against censorship from social media companies. But with the stakes being as high as they are this close to an election (not just this particular election, but any election in general), I see no problem with social media companies deciding they will not be a party to the spread of misinformation intended to sway the election. These companies are not neutral communication platforms…

With the stakes being as high as they are, wouldn’t we want to know if there’s a crumb of truth to the allegations? A President beholden to shady foreign actors doesn’t sound like a good idea. Likewise if it’s false then let that come out. The bigger problem is that journalists/newspapers are no longer the arbiters of truth, and instead the distributors are.

If there was a crumb of truth you'd get to see the raw emails with DKIM signatures that a novice sysadmin could confirm in 15 minutes. At least that would prove they aren't a total fabrication that was typed up in Word.

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Post by ibejoeb »

drew-y wrote: post #777
ffggvv wrote: post #124

i remember during the BLM Riots, we had stories going around that jacob blake was just "breaking up a fight" between two women. when it turns out he had just finished robbing someone he'd previously sexually assaulted with her kids in the house. and twitter let it trend i remember they had a video of gunshot sounds trending with a description saying that an innocent 16 year old girl was shot by police when in reality…

> BLM Riots This is a harmful characterization of an important movement. No protests on that scale are going to go without a hitch. That shouldn't minimize their importance. > Researchers at the US Crisis Monitor analyzed over 10,600 nationwide protests between May 24 (the day before George Floyd was killed by police) and Aug. 22, and found that nearly 95 percent were peaceful [1] Jacob Blake was shot seven times in…

>He was unarmed

He was armed, and he admitted to it, and it is documented in the DOJ statement.

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Post by donmcronald »

Const-me wrote: post #902
donmcronald wrote: post #880

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I think that would entrench the current tech giants because the liability to any startup entering the space would be huge and they wouldn't be big enough to partner with anyone. On the flipside, you'd have Facebook, Twitter, etc. partnering with media companies big enough to negotiate an indemnification clause into a contract that allows them into the recommendations engine(s). As soon as you start forcing liability…

> how does considering Twitter the publisher instead of Fox or CNN improve that? People don’t register on Twitter to read Fox or CNN. They register to read other people. Making Twitter a publisher increases costs a lot. Especially portion of the cost that’s proportional to count of users and volumes of content. On-line ads don’t pay much per view, the only reason these companies are making so much money is they got c…

> People don’t register on Twitter to read Fox or CNN. They register to read other people.

So if I follow an influencer that retweets a libelous news story from CNN, who's the liable publisher? Twitter, CNN, or the influencer? What if I retweet it? Am I a publisher now that I piped that into my feed?

The only way Twitter would be able to cope IMO is with a _massive_ increase in censorship and a _massive_ reduction in the ability for the average person to publish opinions. And I think the biggest beneficiaries of that are large media companies that already have their own platforms.

And what I meant when I asked how making Twitter the publisher is any different is how would having the ability to sue Twitter for libel be any different than suing CNN or Fox right now? The only way it's different is if the law treats them differently and makes Twitter beholden to government so the government can sanction them. Who decides what's true then? That sounds like a dictatorship to me.

I completely agree with your sentiment though. The misinformation is out of control and it needs to be reigned in. I just think it's much harder than pointing the finger at someone new and calling them the publisher. I haven't seen any really good solutions either. It's a really hard problem to solve.

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Post by hackerfromthefu »

pqhwan wrote: post #835
verroq wrote: post #136

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You might as well delete most liberal media as well since anytime they mention a crime being committed and they omit the race of the perp you can assume they aren’t white. If they are white they will shout it from the rooftops. I watched Michael Moore’s Bowling for Columbine and I’d assume that for some reason these journalists thought that they can fix racism just not mentioning the race of the perpetrators.

I haven’t seen what you’ve seen, so I’m not going to deny your experience/impression, but my opinion is that the only case where the races of those involved in a crime matter are when the crime is racially motivated. And that’s the standard I’ve seen major media adhere to, but obviously there’s grey areas. If you want every crime tallied up against the race of the perpetrator, I’ve got bad news for you; that’s what t…

Well I am not going to deny your experience/impression, but my opinion is that news is valuable to the degree it has actionable information that is accurate.

e.g. Knowing which areas are more likely to be dangerous means I can avoid those areas. If an area is regularly the site of dangerous altercations, I know to be more careful around it. But if the news white-washes that actual factual information it becomes much less useful as actual actionable information.

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Post by DeonPenny »

notherthrowaway wrote: post #726
DeonPenny wrote: post #399

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Yeh but what about wikileaks, trumps taxes, and so many other story. But even if it was policy the fact they banned the press secretary of the united states should give everyone pause.

Should the press secretary’s Twitter account get special treatment?

Of course it should. Not only practically because twitter shouldn't be monitoring the government that polices it, but also cause if that government lets say strips twitter protections it would be dumb of twitter to have done.

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Post by balola »

disown wrote: post #708
DevKoala wrote: post #290

Incredibly disappointed. I had never seen such a concerted effort to hide information in the USA. Is this how it feels to live under the CCP’s control?

> Incredibly disappointed. I had never seen such a concerted effort to hide information in the USA. Go read some history. Lincoln shut down hundred of newspapers during the civil war. Or the Red Scare/McCarthyism. The jim crow south for 100 years. > Is this how it feels to live under the CCP’s control? If the "CCP" had any control how come they allow so many posts about "CCP" all over social media? If russia or china…

Try find something negative about CCP leaders on any Chinese website.

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Post by balola »

xaei wrote: post #670

The NY Post is not a serious news organization. Whatever the implication politically, this is more akin to limiting the spread of a headline like "Lizard-man found at UFO landing site." And a naked political hit job.

This reads like slut-shaming.
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