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Re: Transmutations observed from pressure cycling palladium

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Post by dumbfoundded » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 1:10 AM UTC

flubert wrote: post #4

Detecting the presence of these transmuted elements should be much easier to replicate than trying to characterize "excess" heat, right? And the next step would be to try and find out what isotope of the transmuted elements was? Anyone know how much deuterium costs? https://thenewfire.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/nasa_transmut...

It depends. The transmuted elements could be viewed as contaminants while it'd be hard to explain away excess heat. There are so many sources of potential contamination. Random heat signatures not so much.

Re: Transmutations observed from pressure cycling palladium

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Post by dumbfoundded » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 1:13 AM UTC

gus_massa wrote: post #9

The anomalous heating is very difficult to measure and it is not going to convince anyone. The new elements they got, are much more interesting. The problem is that: * Cooper and Zinc that are the parts of brass. * Iron, Chrome and Manganese that are common in stainless steel. So the most simple explanation is contamination from the surrounding vessel and plumbing. It is also very strange that they didn't get Cadmium…

The odds that cold fusion has been discovered are 0.

Re: Transmutations observed from pressure cycling palladium

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Post by est » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 1:15 AM UTC

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #3

So cold fusion was real after all? They've got both transmutation of elements and excess heat.

but what about gamma rays?

Re: Transmutations observed from pressure cycling palladium

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Post by andrewflnr » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 1:22 AM UTC

"International Journey of Hydrogen Energy"? Is this a real thing?

Re: Transmutations observed from pressure cycling palladium

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Post by phkahler » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 1:38 AM UTC

pjkundert wrote: post #2

Tests showing similar results were presented at the 2012 LENR conference, and probably before. I really wish they hadn’t been discounted as erroneous without attempts to replicate by the larger scientific community. We’d be much farther along by now, in capturing this extremely interesting result!

>> I really wish they hadn’t been discounted as erroneous without attempts to replicate by the larger scientific community.

Sure. But what if LENR is real? They may be opening pandoras box.

Re: Transmutations observed from pressure cycling palladium

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Post by jacobwilliamroy » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 1:39 AM UTC

dumbfoundded wrote: post #12

gus_massa wrote: post #9

The anomalous heating is very difficult to measure and it is not going to convince anyone. The new elements they got, are much more interesting. The problem is that: * Cooper and Zinc that are the parts of brass. * Iron, Chrome and Manganese that are common in stainless steel. So the most simple explanation is contamination from the surrounding vessel and plumbing. It is also very strange that they didn't get Cadmium…

The odds that cold fusion has been discovered are 0.

I really think cold fusion is a prank. Like when my dad would send me out to buy "headlight fluid" just to mess with me.

Re: Transmutations observed from pressure cycling palladium

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Post by dumbfoundded » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 1:51 AM UTC

jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #16

dumbfoundded wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The odds that cold fusion has been discovered are 0.

I really think cold fusion is a prank. Like when my dad would send me out to buy "headlight fluid" just to mess with me.

I think it's like trying to prove P = NP. Maybe it's technically possible, but no one in their right mind thinks it's going to happen.

Re: Transmutations observed from pressure cycling palladium

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Post by colechristensen » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 2:15 AM UTC

andrewflnr wrote: post #14

"International Journey of Hydrogen Energy"? Is this a real thing?

Yes, it is an Elsevier journal. Specifically, it is not one of the citation mill fake journals which will publish anything.

Re: Transmutations observed from pressure cycling palladium

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Post by raducu » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 2:19 AM UTC

gus_massa wrote: post #9

The anomalous heating is very difficult to measure and it is not going to convince anyone. The new elements they got, are much more interesting. The problem is that: * Cooper and Zinc that are the parts of brass. * Iron, Chrome and Manganese that are common in stainless steel. So the most simple explanation is contamination from the surrounding vessel and plumbing. It is also very strange that they didn't get Cadmium…

Shouldn't there be some kind of radiation detectable if fusion did occur?

Re: Transmutations observed from pressure cycling palladium

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Post by marcinzm » Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 2:30 AM UTC

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #7

cromwellian wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But what about a control experiment? How about letting the PdAg sit in a vacuum for the same amount of time under similar conditions and see what develops? How do they rule out contamination, such as by cosmic rays?

If I read the abstract right, they did in fact have a control. They had the exact same palladium/silver mix in it, but didn't cycle D2, H2, or He in and out. It wound up with much fewer of the surprising elements.

Couldn't that be explained by the cycling introducing contamination (ie: along with the D2, H2, He it also brought in a few other atoms from the plumping or whatever)?