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Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by manigandham »

prudhvis wrote: post #223

I have no idea what happened during the early 2010s. I grew up during the late 90s (born in late 80s) learning about the internet and its philosophies. Allowing Free speech still is the hill I'd like to die on. But the new generation of people, even here on HN and the internet hacker personalities I used to align with have turned so pro-censorship that I don't believe I'm in a proper reality/timeline anymore.

The problem is the scale and centralization of power with social media.

Global conglomerates serving billions where moderation is controlled by a few individuals with absolute control and no accountability. This is a major issue as these networks are quickly becoming a critical medium of communication and expression in this century.

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Post by xxpor »

zests wrote: post #245
colinmhayes wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. We can't censor because of slippery slope 2. Idiots elect clown because of propaganda 3. Hundreds of thousands of people die from preventable catastrophe. I don't disagree with you but this is not an acceptable answer.

Is Cuomo a clown elected by idiots who killed tens of thousands of people for his decision to have nursing homes take in COVID patients?

>Is Cuomo a clown elected by idiots

Yes. Is he the same type of clown as Trump? No. But Cuomo's an idiot.

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Post by vehemenz »

high_derivative wrote: post #58

Ahhh: 1. We must censor terror propaganda and child abuse to avoid harm & because it's the law 2. We must censor stormfront and the far right because it's the right thing to do 3. We must censor covid misinformation because it could kill people 4. We must selectively censor news reporting for political candidates we are aligned with because it's probably false. ---- we are here now 5. We must remove all news critical…

Who is we? Fox News has been at 6.5 since Bush Jr.

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Post by meroes »

prudhvis wrote: post #223

I have no idea what happened during the early 2010s. I grew up during the late 90s (born in late 80s) learning about the internet and its philosophies. Allowing Free speech still is the hill I'd like to die on. But the new generation of people, even here on HN and the internet hacker personalities I used to align with have turned so pro-censorship that I don't believe I'm in a proper reality/timeline anymore.

So HN can't remove posts either because that violates free speech? I grew up on the internet too and forum bans were always a thing. You haven't convinced me this is different.

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Post by snowwrestler »

prudhvis wrote: post #223

I have no idea what happened during the early 2010s. I grew up during the late 90s (born in late 80s) learning about the internet and its philosophies. Allowing Free speech still is the hill I'd like to die on. But the new generation of people, even here on HN and the internet hacker personalities I used to align with have turned so pro-censorship that I don't believe I'm in a proper reality/timeline anymore.

It's 100% inline with free speech to let a given website decide what they want to publish. Even if it is a very popular website.

If they make bad decisions, then people can go to competitors; it's as easy as typing in a different URL. That's how the Internet--and open societies in general--are supposed to work.

What it looks like to me--someone who has been on the Internet since before the turn of the century--is that a more recent generation of people grew up with these very popular websites as part of their lives, and they came to believe that these very popular websites are somehow inherent to the Internet and to society in general.

They're not. The Internet is more available to entrepreneurs, startups, and new ideas today than it was when Twitter and Facebook were started. They're not too big to fail.

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Post by pnw_hazor »

mrkstu wrote: post #220
high_derivative wrote: post #58

Ahhh: 1. We must censor terror propaganda and child abuse to avoid harm & because it's the law 2. We must censor stormfront and the far right because it's the right thing to do 3. We must censor covid misinformation because it could kill people 4. We must selectively censor news reporting for political candidates we are aligned with because it's probably false. ---- we are here now 5. We must remove all news critical…

Some, like Keith Olbermann are jumping straight to between 6 and 7: "Olbermann called for a wide range of Trump's "enablers" to be "prosecuted and convicted and removed from our society."" Including 'enablers' like Amy Coney Barrett. https://popculture.com/trending/news/keith-olbermann-raises-...

Unhinged entertainers is one thing, but it gets pretty scary when similar language is coming elected officials.

"A county prosecutor has again denigrated constituents, this time with the alarming claim that we must “cleanse society” of the “diseased thinking” of Trump supporters."

https://mynorthwest.com/2231869/rantz-county-prosecutor-clea...

https://www.heraldnet.com/news/a-prosecutors-anti-trump-post...

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Post by nowandlater »

senthil_rajasek wrote: post #240
prudhvis wrote: post #223

I have no idea what happened during the early 2010s. I grew up during the late 90s (born in late 80s) learning about the internet and its philosophies. Allowing Free speech still is the hill I'd like to die on. But the new generation of people, even here on HN and the internet hacker personalities I used to align with have turned so pro-censorship that I don't believe I'm in a proper reality/timeline anymore.

It didn't happen overnight. 2016 U.S elections changed things a lot. Spreading misinformation is not free speech.

Who gets to decide whether I'm being misinformed or not?

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Post by gameswithgo »

prudhvis wrote: post #223

I have no idea what happened during the early 2010s. I grew up during the late 90s (born in late 80s) learning about the internet and its philosophies. Allowing Free speech still is the hill I'd like to die on. But the new generation of people, even here on HN and the internet hacker personalities I used to align with have turned so pro-censorship that I don't believe I'm in a proper reality/timeline anymore.

i was with you back in the 90s, but ive observed the open communication of the internet not going at all well. forums that don’t censor always turn into cesspools. HN censors, yet you are here.

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Post by bigbubba »

mnky9800n wrote: post #253
nexuist wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I grew up in the early 2000s. I find it difficult to understand as well, but I think what happened is that emotional human contact was overrun by corporate/nation-state bots. Bots cannot be convinced that their positions are wrong; they exist solely to spread discontent and fear. This is far different than the early Internet where you could safely assume everyone you were talking to is a real person. They may be a da…

So make political bots illegal and the world becomes sane again?

For every real bot there are probably 10 people accused of being bots because the accuser can't cope with people who disagree with them. In this respect 'bot' has become the new 'troll.'

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Post by dr-detroit »

prudhvis wrote: post #223

I have no idea what happened during the early 2010s. I grew up during the late 90s (born in late 80s) learning about the internet and its philosophies. Allowing Free speech still is the hill I'd like to die on. But the new generation of people, even here on HN and the internet hacker personalities I used to align with have turned so pro-censorship that I don't believe I'm in a proper reality/timeline anymore.

Corporations tricked the average citizen into thinking infowars and wikileaks are credible journalism sources and people like you claim its free speech but its the societal equivalent of yelling fire in a crowded theater
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