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Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by futureofaiisnot »

high_derivative wrote: post #58

Ahhh: 1. We must censor terror propaganda and child abuse to avoid harm & because it's the law 2. We must censor stormfront and the far right because it's the right thing to do 3. We must censor covid misinformation because it could kill people 4. We must selectively censor news reporting for political candidates we are aligned with because it's probably false. ---- we are here now 5. We must remove all news critical…

Oh wow, i get it there are loads of frustrated office workers spewing alt right drama in here...but now child abuse should not be ...”censored”? Dude this forum needs media attention asap.

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Post by Fauntleroy »

Tallasatree wrote: post #214

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. We've been watching this happen for a few years now, and some of us are actively paving the road.

The "unchecked misinformation" alternative hasn't really been working out so well either, for what it's worth.

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by adventured »

Tallasatree wrote: post #214

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. We've been watching this happen for a few years now, and some of us are actively paving the road.

It's not good intentions. The tech giants are attempting to throw an election and they don't care who knows at this point. For the 2012 election Facebook execs bragged about illegally assisting the Obama campaign by giving them practically the entire FB social graph, for free. That violates federal campaign finance laws. Nothing was done about it and you'll never get anyone on HN to go near talking about that fraud, which was entirely out in the open.

The media ran every possible baseless story they could about Trump the past four years, often with zero supporting evidence to the story in question. Every time they turned out to be fake stories, the media conveniently ignored it, refused to run retractions and moved on to the next fraudulent story. Twitter allowed max distribution in every single instance. Now a story blows up about Biden, and they go in to hyper overdrive to stop it, colluding with Facebook. You've got people inside of these companies directly working for the DNC and using company resources to violate federal campaign finance laws.

There is a growing list of people in big tech that need to go to prison for election interference.

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by nexuist »

2bitencryption wrote: post #230
Tallasatree wrote: post #214

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. We've been watching this happen for a few years now, and some of us are actively paving the road.

Recently I've seen people invoking the term "slippery slope fallacy" to describe this phenomenon. It's really frustrating to see this. I think there was some stupid "list of fallacies" infographic popular on Reddit a few months back that spawned this notion that there's no such thing as a "slippery slope" and calling anything a "slippery slope" means you're wrong and your argument can be tossed out. But... that's exa…

It is stupid especially considering that the people who are for this sort of censorship (or moderation, if you will) usually also agree with the notion that we are heading towards fascism. Which one is it then? Is it possible to take on step forward and stay put, or does every step forward indicate more steps in the future?

You can't have it both ways, it's either a fallacy or not. History tells us that it is not a fallacy, and that we should use all the warning signs we can find before it's too late to go back.

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Post by [deleted] »

prudhvis wrote: post #223

I have no idea what happened during the early 2010s. I grew up during the late 90s (born in late 80s) learning about the internet and its philosophies. Allowing Free speech still is the hill I'd like to die on. But the new generation of people, even here on HN and the internet hacker personalities I used to align with have turned so pro-censorship that I don't believe I'm in a proper reality/timeline anymore.

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Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by Fauntleroy »

prudhvis wrote: post #223

I have no idea what happened during the early 2010s. I grew up during the late 90s (born in late 80s) learning about the internet and its philosophies. Allowing Free speech still is the hill I'd like to die on. But the new generation of people, even here on HN and the internet hacker personalities I used to align with have turned so pro-censorship that I don't believe I'm in a proper reality/timeline anymore.

If you're having trouble with it, then perhaps try and remember how the Internet has changed over time. What started as a network of scientists and enthusiasts has become a network of corporations and governments (increasingly driven by party-focused politicking). That's not even mentioning the emergency of social networks and the prevalence of foreign and domestic misinformation/manipulation therein.

If the Internet hadn't changed so radically, their viewpoints might have also remained similarly stale.

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by untog »

Tallasatree wrote: post #214

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. We've been watching this happen for a few years now, and some of us are actively paving the road.

It cuts both ways, though.

The road to hell (totally censored internet) is paved with good intentions (trying to clamp down on misinformation). But the road to hell (a society full of dangerously misinformed citizens) is also paved with good intentions (trying to keep the internet free of censorship).

I guess my point is that none of this is actually easy to navigate. Anyone saying "censor the story, it's no big deal" is missing the bigger picture. But IMO, so is anyone saying "disinformation is not a problem, it shouldn't be tackled".

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

mrkstu wrote: post #220
high_derivative wrote: post #58

Ahhh: 1. We must censor terror propaganda and child abuse to avoid harm & because it's the law 2. We must censor stormfront and the far right because it's the right thing to do 3. We must censor covid misinformation because it could kill people 4. We must selectively censor news reporting for political candidates we are aligned with because it's probably false. ---- we are here now 5. We must remove all news critical…

Some, like Keith Olbermann are jumping straight to between 6 and 7: "Olbermann called for a wide range of Trump's "enablers" to be "prosecuted and convicted and removed from our society."" Including 'enablers' like Amy Coney Barrett. https://popculture.com/trending/news/keith-olbermann-raises-...

Bush the elder wanted atheists deported so both sides have their share of lunacy.

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Post by cmac2992 »

patagurbon wrote: post #206
rayiner wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this is hacked emails, doesn’t that prove the article is credible?

Any subset of it could've been fabricated or modified to for the narrative.

From my understanding that is what happened in france in 2017

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Post by senthil_rajasek »

prudhvis wrote: post #223

I have no idea what happened during the early 2010s. I grew up during the late 90s (born in late 80s) learning about the internet and its philosophies. Allowing Free speech still is the hill I'd like to die on. But the new generation of people, even here on HN and the internet hacker personalities I used to align with have turned so pro-censorship that I don't believe I'm in a proper reality/timeline anymore.

It didn't happen overnight.

2016 U.S elections changed things a lot.

Spreading misinformation is not free speech.

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