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Re: Google disabled my husband's account

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jbay808 wrote: post #297
kodah wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the internet was ever going to become regulated. What did occur post-2007 was that what made the internet work as a disparate ecosystem of loosely connected destinations (news groups, message boards, blogs, misc websites) that all played their own very important role, controlled and owned by their own communities became one platform under Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, etc... and was controlled and owned by…

I definitely think that what you're saying is true, and is part of the explanation. But another part is that the Wild West internet also had its own major issues -- roving bandits, to carry the analogy -- and these big companies did solve real problems that were only growing with time. Gmail's spam filtering. Recaptcha's bot rejection. Facebook's identity verification. Paypal's secure credit card processing. Google d…

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Re: Google disabled my husband's account

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Post by reggieband »

bobbob1921 wrote: post #280

Issues like this- are why I jump’d through hoops to have a somewhat secure , somewhat reliable, and somewhat consistent- on-Prem back up of my Google (gsuite) data. It’s not as easy and robust as it should be, but it helps me sleep a tad bit better at night.

I just had that same panic realization. Turns out it is pretty easy to do manually.

From GSuite click the 9 grid dot application menu and choose Account. Go to "privacy & personalization". Find "Download or delete your data" section and click the "Download your data" link. Seems to be a comprehensive download system including everything I could imagine (including my gmail history which is probably most important).

If anyone knows how to automate this, (e.g. to my local machine using a script, or iCloud/Dropbox) I would love to hear it.

Re: Google disabled my husband's account

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Post by kodah »

jbay808 wrote: post #297
kodah wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the internet was ever going to become regulated. What did occur post-2007 was that what made the internet work as a disparate ecosystem of loosely connected destinations (news groups, message boards, blogs, misc websites) that all played their own very important role, controlled and owned by their own communities became one platform under Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, etc... and was controlled and owned by…

I definitely think that what you're saying is true, and is part of the explanation. But another part is that the Wild West internet also had its own major issues -- roving bandits, to carry the analogy -- and these big companies did solve real problems that were only growing with time. Gmail's spam filtering. Recaptcha's bot rejection. Facebook's identity verification. Paypal's secure credit card processing. Google d…

100%, I agree, going back to the Wild Wild West probably isn't the thing to do, but I think we can look at decentralization through the lens of modern tools for a brighter and more equitable future for the internets new and old denizens.

A couple of ideas I've had:

- Leverage PGP and trust rings for identity without a need for non-anonymity. This could be structured in a nuanced manner so that we respect pseudo-anonymity while also maintaining the integrity that real identity brings.

- A wholesale education of the populace, instead of an education by fear, of the power of anonymity and services which further anonymity.

- A move away from the advertising and services-exploitation business model. Not that we can't have service oriented businesses, but those businesses cannot be exploiting people to do labor and a bottom line price.

- A data ownership model which establishes a monetary value for different types of data. We already do data classification inside mega-corps, and we're able to establish and correlate it's sensitivity. Extrapolating this to value would not be stretch. Users consent which data they give up in exchange for services. The price for the service is adjusted based on what data they give up, and how they choose it will be used (Data for marketing may be more valuable than say data for behavior research, or even vice versa!)

Re: Google disabled my husband's account

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Post by cnst »

ochoseis wrote: post #246
sangnoir wrote: post #178

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I'll play the devils advocate: moderating any platform is a challenging endeavor, mostly because of malicious users. Having all the rules broken down in detail allows bad actors to either get close to the line but not cross it, or abuse the system while technically not breaking any rules. As such, having very broad rules (read TOS) helps. Additionally, not having to explain exactly what was violated means that people…

What seems novel here is that the author _actually works_ at Google and still can’t help despite being an insider. Although, not sure if that says more about Google or more about the banned account.

TBH, this is the way it should be.

Getting your account unbanned shouldn't require having an insider.

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There should be a clear reason for why an account is banned. When you're accused of a crime in a society, we don't just tell you to read abstract law. We tell you exactly what you've been accused of, such that you can defend yourself appropriately. There is this basic principle in English law that states:

- It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.

What's been happening with many of these companies is that many guilty actually do escape, whilst many innocent actually still do suffer.

Re: Google disabled my husband's account

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Post by LurkersWillLurk »

justinlloyd wrote: post #222

I had a Google Pixel phone. Less than a year old old. Treated with kid gloves. Always kept in a case. Pristine condition. An approved Google software update bricked it. This was, by all accounts, a known issue. The phone was under warranty. I sent it back. They shipped me a scratched up refurbished phone. It ran fine for a week then bricked itself due to the same software update. I sent that back. They sent me anothe…

I don't really know if you have a legal remedy under your state's "Unfair Trade Practices" law, but this might be one worth a complaint to your state attorney general's office or maybe a consultation with a consumer affairs attorney, if you have the money. I am pessimistic that this would go anywhere, though.

Re: Google disabled my husband's account

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Post by [deleted] »

coder543 wrote: post #239
justinlloyd wrote: post #222

I had a Google Pixel phone. Less than a year old old. Treated with kid gloves. Always kept in a case. Pristine condition. An approved Google software update bricked it. This was, by all accounts, a known issue. The phone was under warranty. I sent it back. They shipped me a scratched up refurbished phone. It ran fine for a week then bricked itself due to the same software update. I sent that back. They sent me anothe…

> Google decided that wasn't to their liking and disabled the Google account attached to the phone. Did you decide to go for Round 2 in small claims court and get the account un-disabled?

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Re: Google disabled my husband's account

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Post by mattl »

swiley wrote: post #196
theandrewbailey wrote: post #79

If anyone has a Google account, you need to Takeout regularly. https://takeout.google.com

You have a tiny window to download a huge archive and you can't restart the download. In theory it's great in practice you don't have access to it.

I just turned it on and they can now transfer the files to Dropbox or another storage provider.

Re: Google disabled my husband's account

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Post by Grollicus »

AnssiH wrote: post #179
theandrewbailey wrote: post #79

If anyone has a Google account, you need to Takeout regularly. https://takeout.google.com

If only it worked... https://i.imgur.com/FKFa2l7.png I probably could try to bisect if there is a specific type of data that prevents Takeout on my account, but I haven't bothered as I think I have all the important data otherwise backed up.

If you live in the EU just send them a GDPR request, they'll have to give you a dump within some timeframe. If their bots redirect you to their download UI, contact your regulator.

Re: Google disabled my husband's account

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Post by nobody9999 »

blunte wrote: post #103
blahyawnblah wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use nextcloud with s3 as the backend for file sharing and storage. Backblaze backs up the folder that contains nextcloud. I self host email using the standard dovecot/postfix

When this topic comes up periodically, some people comment about the difficulty of having their outgoing mail often blacklisted or automatically marked as spam when being sent to major email hosts (such as Google, MS, etc.) Have you found this to be a problem?

>When this topic comes up periodically, some people comment about the difficulty of having their outgoing mail often blacklisted or automatically marked as spam when being sent to major email hosts (such as Google, MS, etc.) Have you found this to be a problem?

I had this issue a couple of times (with Comcast IIRC) in the early oughts (somehow I found myself on a RBL/DNSBL). I resolved that fairly quickly.

I haven't had problems since. Just to make sure, I implemented SPF/DKIM/DMARC in my DNS zones. And I'm sure implementing DNSSec didn't hurt either.

And except for those few times 15-20 years ago, my environment has worked like champ.

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