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Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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European here, but I can definitively see how someone would come to that conclusion. Both platforms bans anyone mentioning the supposed "whistleblower" (whom actually only had newspaper articles as 'evidence'), bans anyone mentioning Bidens kid, bans anyone mentioning the death of Clintons ex-staffers, Wikileaks content related to Dems is blacklisted, and they remove videos of Bidens gaffes for being "manipulative" w…

A few things I realized in the past few years:

1. Elite class does exist in the society, and they exert tight control on the flow of information in traditional media, e.g. TV, newspapaer etc. Their control is loosened in the Internet age initially, which led to the rise of Trump. Trying to correct this, a narrative of blaming "fake news" was used to pressure leading companies like Google, Facebook and Twitter to toe the elite line.

2. Censorship of "effective" speech, which is speech that can reach vast audience, always exists in any society. Just think back about the "mask is useless" than "everyone should wear mask" media campaigns in the in the past few months, on traditional media. Internet weakened the traditional guardians of "effective" speech. With the multiple challenges faced by the elites today, e.g. COVID, class and racial conflicts, disruption to internal orders, the elites are trying harder to take control of important nodes of Internet, so they can build consensus and move the society to a direction they desire.

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would not be the first time the US government has transparently tried to lie about and smear families of government critics.

>Would not be the first time the US government has transparently tried to lie about and smear families of government critics. While the leak is obviously timed to directly impact the election. They no doubt have been sitting on the information for months or longer. What do you think about Twitter outright censoring the entire subject? It only makes me want to know more.

I know the actors who advanced the theory into the public sphere, and I'm familiar with their past work. I'm content drawing my own assumptions about their bad faith.

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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European here, but I can definitively see how someone would come to that conclusion. Both platforms bans anyone mentioning the supposed "whistleblower" (whom actually only had newspaper articles as 'evidence'), bans anyone mentioning Bidens kid, bans anyone mentioning the death of Clintons ex-staffers, Wikileaks content related to Dems is blacklisted, and they remove videos of Bidens gaffes for being "manipulative" w…

>Both platforms bans anyone mentioning the supposed "whistleblower" (whom actually only had newspaper articles as 'evidence'), bans anyone mentioning Bidens kid, bans anyone mentioning the death of Clintons ex-staffers, Wikileaks content related to Dems is blacklisted, and they remove videos of Bidens gaffes for being "manipulative" when it's just clips from livestreams.

This is just plainly false. I've seen much of that discussed on both platforms.

You're just making stuff up to support a narrative.

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Ignore the NYPost for the moment. A US government website put the details on their website. Twitter is now blocking the US government webpage hosting the details. They are blocking actual politicians linking these details. https://twitter.com/CongressmanHice/status/13167418079595724... Worse yet, they have highlighted the exact opposite story. They are featuring washington post who are calling it false. https://twitt…

Note that the link you posted does not support your claim that twitter is blocking it - it shows a warning before posting but allows one to continue and post the link.

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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This story, with its --ahem-- questionable provenance and its utter lack of any actual dirt on Joe Biden (as opposed to on Hunter Biden, whom no one already has any illusions about), would be a nothingburger, forgotten after 2 weeks, if not for Twitter and Facebook choosing to die on that hill. And now I guess it won't die down until spring, because even if 90% of media hate Trump, enough of them hate Facebook and/or are worried they're next on the black^H^H^Hocklist. Well played!

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s literally not the definition of censorship: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censorship Otherwise the phrase “government censorship” would be redundant. And that’s why the Hollywood Production Codes were a kind of censorship: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Picture_Production_Code And the idea that criticizing censorship when private organizations do it is “whining” is quite odd. Not everything…

You do realize that the literal meaning and the legal meaning are two separate things, right? Censorship in a privately owned entity is 100% legal. As is bias...

rayiner answered you decisively and now you're just repeating part of his point.

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Keep aside the accuracy of the NYPost story for a moment. With this move, Facebook and Twitter have effectively backed one political side over the other. Even if in the nitty-gritty they might not have, this is the perception that is sent out and is the perception that will be played to the hilt by the Trump camp. And timing of this is damning as well, with distrust of big tech and social media rising even before thi…

I think this is one of the damned if you do, damned if you don’t situations. Twitter and Facebook were largely blamed by traditional media for being a vector of misinformation that harmed the American public in 2016, and suffered a lost of trust then. When they try to combat that, whoever would have benefited from the material being censored will cry fowl, and it was a doomed venture from the start.

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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Keep aside the accuracy of the NYPost story for a moment. With this move, Facebook and Twitter have effectively backed one political side over the other. Even if in the nitty-gritty they might not have, this is the perception that is sent out and is the perception that will be played to the hilt by the Trump camp. And timing of this is damning as well, with distrust of big tech and social media rising even before thi…

They’ve certainly changed my vote. Wow.

Re: Twitter and Facebook's action over Joe Biden article reignites bias claims

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To add to this Trump's official campaign Twitter had it's account locked this morning and a video Trump uploaded was promptly deleted. This is new information from today. The thread yesterday was about the initial wave of censorship. I posted about the new actions this morning but it got flagged as a dupe of yesterday's discussion. It was not a duplicate, Twitter has taken new action and decided to go further this mo…

Do you think its correct to delibrately spread a false story about Hunter Biden? Is this type removing false information censorship?

The posts should be allowed particularly if they're false. If people are allowed to say true things, then that's not particularly valuable information. However, the content's of someone's lies usually says more than the truth (which can often be obtained elsewhere).
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