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Why are the noses broken on Egyptian statues?

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Re: Why are the noses broken on Egyptian statues?

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Anyone care to write an abstract for this article?

At the end there is this conclusion:

  Answering the question of why the nose is broken on any particular Egyptian statue, relief, or sarcophagus mostly depends on two key factors: the condition of the inscription, and the original location and purpose of the statue. Additional breakage to other parts of the body or to symbols is also informative.

  Iconoclasm on a grand scale — such as the destruction of royal imagery following the reign of Hatshepsut and during and after the reign of Akhenaten — was primarily political in motive. Hatshepsut’s reign presented a problem for the legitimacy of Thutmose III’s chosen successor; and Thutmose solved this problem by eliminating a significant portion of the imagistic and inscribed memory of Hatshepsut. Akhenaten’s religious revolution presented a large-scale problem for his successors, who restored the worship of the god Amun; the destruction of Akhenaten’s monuments was therefore thorough and effective.

  The condition of an inscription is revealing when it is clear whether the name itself was the primary target of the destruction. Damage to the name strongly suggests that the attack took place during the Pharaonic period when hieroglyphic writing was still understood. The reasons for damage in that period are likely to have been personal animosity toward the one represented in the image or, when a criminal violates a tomb, a desire to evade a deceased person’s revenge.

Re: Why are the noses broken on Egyptian statues?

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Part of me, completely without data and gut feel, thinks if I was going to smash a statue, I’m going for the head.

A lot of these statues have broken heads too ... not all though.

When I hit the head, I’m also a terrible person, meaning I’m definitely going for the face, no?

What’s the part that I am likely to hit on the face first because it sticks out? What’s the part most likely to break on the head?

Just a no-data no-expertise thought...

Re: Why are the noses broken on Egyptian statues?

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This article gives reasons why the statues were broken but doesn't give a convincing reason why the noses are particularly targeted (sure, you breathe through the nose - but you also breathe through the mouth). It's now commonly suggested that the statue's noses most obviously indicated African heritage: that they were representing Black Africans - and white Christians wanted to erase that heritage. I find it surpris…

> It's now commonly suggested that the statue's noses most obviously indicated African heritage: that they were representing Black Africans - and white Christians wanted to erase that heritage

If I'm recalling correctly, this comes up in Ishmael Reed's novel, Mumbo Jumbo (1972).

Re: Why are the noses broken on Egyptian statues?

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This article gives reasons why the statues were broken but doesn't give a convincing reason why the noses are particularly targeted (sure, you breathe through the nose - but you also breathe through the mouth). It's now commonly suggested that the statue's noses most obviously indicated African heritage: that they were representing Black Africans - and white Christians wanted to erase that heritage. I find it surpris…

"it's now commonly suggested" a lot of things are commonly suggested today that have no basis in reality or no representation in real history. This is no different than Ancient Aliens where all of history is changed to be full of Aliens. Creating what you want to see out of scant evidence to support the claim. "Connecting the dots" to say what you want. Taking history and deciding that "race" is the reason something…

So how do we have a 7000 word essay which sidesteps that claim without providing a better explanation.

One of the claims in this essay is that noses were removed by early Christians to discourage polytheism - if so, then why do ancient Greek gods still have their noses?

Whatever academic reason you can come up with, noses were ultimately targeted because someone with political power or some group of people specifically did not like these noses.

And why did they not like these noses?

Re: Why are the noses broken on Egyptian statues?

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Anyone care to write an abstract for this article?

For the broken nose part - apparently the belief at the time was that the nose of the statue could give life to the spirit of the dead person it represented (by inhaling incense?)

So, by breaking the nose off, tomb robbers 'kill' the statue's ability to bring back the spirit and thus avoid their ire.

I always thought it was the phallic symbolism

Re: Why are the noses broken on Egyptian statues?

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Interesting. A thing I had heard over the years is that noses were kind of phallic (which seems pretty obvious), so if you were interested in a symbolic neutering, taking the nose off was both physically simple to do and symbolically potent.

I'm not sure that the obviousness of this kind could be trusted. The idea of "phallic" was popularized by Freud. It is understandable that we are now have phallic symbols and see them in any prolonged object, either it is because of our nature, or it is because Freud made us to see them.

But I'd rather not to apply this very idea to people of ancient Egypt. Or at least I wouldn't trust it's obviousness. Obvious is not a synonym of a true.

Re: Why are the noses broken on Egyptian statues?

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post #9

This article gives reasons why the statues were broken but doesn't give a convincing reason why the noses are particularly targeted (sure, you breathe through the nose - but you also breathe through the mouth). It's now commonly suggested that the statue's noses most obviously indicated African heritage: that they were representing Black Africans - and white Christians wanted to erase that heritage. I find it surpris…

"it's now commonly suggested" a lot of things are commonly suggested today that have no basis in reality or no representation in real history. This is no different than Ancient Aliens where all of history is changed to be full of Aliens. Creating what you want to see out of scant evidence to support the claim. "Connecting the dots" to say what you want. Taking history and deciding that "race" is the reason something…

>This is no different than Ancient Aliens where all of history is changed to be full of Aliens.

Further thought: the trope that ancient constructions were built by aliens is also in general rarely applied to ancient white civilisations.

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