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Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by trident1000 »

Aeolun wrote: post #472
dgb23 wrote: post #452

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> things are going to need to be sacrificed I say this for emphasis, not to personally attack you: Whenever I read or hear this it makes me extremely suspicious, because it often doesn't come from those who will do the sacrifice themselves. Censorship and other forms of regulating free speech is simply never a good solution. Perpetrators of lies will even hide behind this, and create a false image of rebellious heroi…

> Censorship and other forms of regulating free speech is simply never a good solution. The almost free speech on the other side of the ocean seems to be working pretty well. You get to say anything that isn’t actively harmful to others, but you won’t be able to advertise bleach as a way to get Corona out of your system.

Absurd. Who are the arbiters of truth and what can and cannot be said? There is no such thing as almost free speech in a free society except perhaps for clear cut physical threats.

Also big tech is going to end democracy as we know it unless we get serious. They can decide who gets elected into office and we are on a path to replacing elected representatives with kings.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

chrisrhoden wrote: post #500
dgb23 wrote: post #452

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> things are going to need to be sacrificed I say this for emphasis, not to personally attack you: Whenever I read or hear this it makes me extremely suspicious, because it often doesn't come from those who will do the sacrifice themselves. Censorship and other forms of regulating free speech is simply never a good solution. Perpetrators of lies will even hide behind this, and create a false image of rebellious heroi…

> certify and emphasize content that is grounded in science and verify content creators of such Respectfully, how does this help? My impression is that the majority of the people who believe that e.g. vaccines are detrimental think that credentialing by traditional sources that don't agree with them (e.g. mainstream media) is simply evidence that the party has been compromised. You'd be creating a subset of YouTube t…

Ultimately, there's no Youtube policy that could force people to believe the truth if they're dedicated to believing otherwise. But there's a lot of people who are what we might call vaccine denier adjacent. They don't think vaccines are bad, but they see the anti-vax position as something that's being reasonably and honestly debated, so they're often sympathetic to concerns like "maybe there should be fewer vaccines" or "this one vaccine might be dangerous because public figures I dislike are pushing for it".

The benefit of the tagging would be to make it clear to that set of people that, no, anyone who understands what they're talking about thinks modern vaccines are very safe.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by Applejinx »

cheph wrote: post #211
owlbynight wrote: post #174

I'll preface this by stating that I hate the idea of censorship and I always have. However, were I to happen across someone motionless on the floor with a needle in their arm, I would give them NARCAN instead of a ride to a rehab center. I'm from the United States. Social media is currently poisoning our country to a degree that I think it may be too late to try and draw out the fight for free speech by using free sp…

> I agree that what YouTube is doing here is a slippery slope and it's scary. However, I personally think that this is now a war for democracy, and things are going to need to be sacrificed. YouTube choosing what you can see is as far from democracy as it can get. Not sure how you get from that to saving "democracy".

YouTube choosing who gets to manipulate what you are going to see is another reframing of this, that might make more sense.

Since we've seen a considerable amount of what you get when somebody is able to pay YouTube, and pay Facebook, to specify what you're going to see, on a very granular and Big Data level, in a targeted way.

In a real and practical sense YouTube having access to extremely effective social media tools and just hiring them out to any bozo offering money, with no accountability for who's trying to accomplish what, is the thing that's as far from democracy as you can get.

I feel that the people most hot to argue for a 'unmediated' world, and most freaked out if this is challenged, are the people who are in fact putting a lot of time, money and effort into mediating and manipulating this 'unmediated' world to be unrepresentative of reality in a way that benefits them and their intentions.

Then if you do challenge them, they simply lie to your face and say it's all about freedom versus censorship… because to win, they need to retain the ability to mediate the world to their liking, and even to acknowledge that this is possible suggests the possibility that they are already doing it as hard as they can, and know it.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by Nasrudith »

owlbynight wrote: post #174

I'll preface this by stating that I hate the idea of censorship and I always have. However, were I to happen across someone motionless on the floor with a needle in their arm, I would give them NARCAN instead of a ride to a rehab center. I'm from the United States. Social media is currently poisoning our country to a degree that I think it may be too late to try and draw out the fight for free speech by using free sp…

Can facts actually be overwhelmed by voluminous bullshit? That in itself is bullshit. If I had a billion to spend on insisting the sky had polkadots very few would believe it and most who say "the sky is polkadotted" would be taking the piss. Confusingly the zeitgeist itself is bullshit that unwittingly self-describes itself as the menance.

Really the example chosen was harmless - what makes the bullshit believed isn't plausiblity but because /they want to believe it/ and you cannot censor the inner desires, fears, and self-justifications. But the facts don't stop being true even if they believe the bullshit. That is what makes successful rationalizations so dangerous as reality comes home to roost as they insist it is safe to play in the street because cars always swerved out of the way before.

Really

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by umvi »

@dang can I make a suggestion? On threads with high comment counts, put numerical pagination links at the very top of the comments. Otherwise to see the next pages of comments I have to scroll to the bottom, click "more", scroll to the bottom again, click "more" again... If I could just click a little "1", "2", "3", etc. to jump straight to second and third page top level comments, I think it would help improve visibility of those other top level comments.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by sergeykish »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #387
DanielBMarkham wrote: post #195

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I hate it as well, and if I could come up with some new way of advancing our species aside from free speech I would. I cannot and cannot see how such a thing would ever be possible. Here's a bit of sunshine: the human species has not changed in thousands of years. We're still the same hairless monkeys we were back when people were thinking up all kinds of cool shit. Knowing this, it follows that 10% or so of the popu…

> it follows that 10% or so of the population are, well, nuts. Another 10% are so are willing to do anything to become famous. It has always been this way. Not sure that's true, though. Here's a cloud to cover your sunshine: what if the very concept that beliefs have to correspond to observable reality is a relatively new one, or a relatively unpopular one (with a 10% of the population subscribing to it)? What if it'…

Programming teaches to check own believes, program executes as defined.

Verifiable history of changes teaches to check twice before blaming another.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by sp332 »

tonyarkles wrote: post #593
sp332 wrote: post #510

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How are they going to get the research done if they can't present the hypothesis and supporting observations? How will they get the results peer reviewed if they can't present them because they're not peer-reviewed yet?

Generally speaking by attempting to publish the result in a journal or conference proceedings. There’s a process in place where your unreleased manuscript is sent to other researchers in your field for review. After making corrections based on their feedback, you can be approved for publication, at which point the general public gets a chance to evaluate it. Having done it, I don’t necessarily love the process and wo…

That's kind of irrelevant to people posting videos on YouTube though.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by formerly_proven »

owlbynight wrote: post #174

I'll preface this by stating that I hate the idea of censorship and I always have. However, were I to happen across someone motionless on the floor with a needle in their arm, I would give them NARCAN instead of a ride to a rehab center. I'm from the United States. Social media is currently poisoning our country to a degree that I think it may be too late to try and draw out the fight for free speech by using free sp…

FWIW I think there is a major breakdown of The West underway that begun when China effectively ripped Western ideology apart after the end of the cold war. The Western ideology after WW2 was that liberal markets (eventually) implied (rise of) a democracy with civil liberties. China showed that this ideology is false by creating liberal-enough markets while retaining absolute state control (and the Chinese state has vastly concentrated its power, and the power within the Chinese state has been vastly concentrated as well, to the point of it effectively being a Fuhrerstate). Meanwhile The East has shown that so-called illiberal democracies can be widely accepted by the people. And the US are currently testing the hypothesis whether free speech is survivable for a democratic society in the presence of so-called social media. I strongly suspect these are going to be the sucker-punch for The West in combination with Covid-related economic crises. It is likely the liberal era is going to end within this decade.
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