Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by Rochetshipz » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 12:54 PM UTC

dunkelheit wrote: post #847

res0nat0r wrote: post #741

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> Was the NY Post article actually filled with disinformation? Yes. Parroting Russian disinformation during an election campaign because your owners don't like the politics of said disinformation target should be removed. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/14/biden-campaign-lash... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/14/us/politics/hunter-biden-... There needs to be more censorship on FB and YouTube which are in addit…

Right there in the first article: > There was no immediate indication of Russian involvement in the release of emails that the Post obtained, but its general thrust mirrors a narrative that U.S. intelligence agencies have described as part of an active Russian disinformation effort aimed at the 2020 election. So the only proof that it comes from Russia is basically "that's the kind of thing the Russians would do." Ar…

Particularly, claiming Russian collusion the last time did not turn out to be true, but the Media jumped on this narrative. Let's not do it again.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by AnthonyMouse » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 1:04 PM UTC

qqqwerty wrote: post #799

rayiner wrote: post #713

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I had assumed it was just that people were consuming two entirely different media streams. But I’ve had conversations recently where college educated people won’t even concede basic factual points left out of a media narrative. Like, things that can be established just by looking at some publicly available document, which I have given them. They keep just circling back to the narrative. It’s scary.

It is a "bad faith" problem. Bad faith arguments are made on all sides of the political spectrum, but anecdotally, it feels like one side is a little more fact challenged and relies on them fairly heavily. And the amount of arguments being made in bad faith means it is often more productive to just ignore or dismiss the other sides arguments outright. Here is a good example. Right wing media likes to point at the hom…

> anecdotally, it feels like one side is a little more fact challenged and relies on them fairly heavily.

This is just filter bubbles and various cognitive biases. Stories from any cable news network are regularly full of major holes, which you overlook when they're on "your side" because you're not invested in finding fault with them.

Stephen Colbert's perception of reality has a known liberal bias.

> And homelessness is a weird metric to use as it is partially a by product of regional economic success, where a good job market coupled with an overheated housing market results in an increasing number of people willing to tough it out on the streets or in their cars.

But the overheated housing market is the criticism, and is completely valid. California is correctly criticized for letting housing costs get so bad that people who are making twice the US median income are nonetheless sleeping in their cars.

And California may be the worst, but it is actually a problem which is more severe in blue states than red states on average. Housing costs more in NYC than Austin, and more in Chicago than Charlotte, despite having a lower median income.

So sticking to the "narratives" doesn't get you there. It causes you to ignore the problems in your own back yard. You have to look at the facts, even when they're inconvenient, and admit it when it's your team making a mistake.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by ntsplnkv2 » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 1:04 PM UTC

CyberRabbi wrote: post #812

codyswann wrote: post #801

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So you can say whatever you want at your job without any repercussion from your employer? Yikes.

If you’re being sincere that’s a false characterization of the freedom of speech. It is not the ability to say whatever you want but it is the ability to share legitimate information or dissenting opinions, the former being the topic of OP. Employers should not be able to deny people their rights.

Employers fire people all the time for comments on social media and they are well within their right to do so. Any suggestion otherwise is a violation of the company's freedom of speech.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by skrowl » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 1:07 PM UTC

robertlagrant wrote: post #822

runarberg wrote: post #689

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In the grand scheme of things, the Pandora's box Twitter and Facebook might have opened today seems minute next to the Pandora’s box the Bush administration opened after the 9-11 attacks, the homeland security and all. I think after the election we will have completely forgotten about this conduct while we still have to live with the spying on innocent people, non-sense travel restriction, and human-rights violating…

How does the immigration system violate human rights?

Some people believe that open borders to all countries are a human right.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by ntsplnkv2 » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 1:09 PM UTC

ls612 wrote: post #695

rayiner wrote: post #687

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Democrats’ victory will be built on purple House seats, COVID blowback, and suburban women and seniors getting cold on Trump. That’s not going to last forever. The “demographic destiny” thing is looking increasingly dubious as Trump continues to outperform expectations among Latinos, even after, well, four years of Trump and COVID and everything. Meanwhile, there is no bench of strong moderates behind Biden. Republic…

Nonwhite Democrats are culturally far more conservative than white progressives on every issue except for racial issues. This will come to bite Democrats in a big way probably, as I’m almost sure the republicans will sooner or later nominate a nonwhite candidate (Nikki Haley??) and Democrats won’t get the ‘demographic’ vote they were hoping for.

The republicans have gone too far right for this to work and have left many moderate republicans in no-mans land.

Nikki Haley is not as popular as republicans think she is - she's largely irrelevant right now.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by skrowl » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 1:09 PM UTC

Cederfjard wrote: post #731

ibeckermayer wrote: post #721

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What about the story should I not be taking at face value? I just read the email, seems pretty clearcut that the Burisma bigshot asked Hunter to "use your influence" to fight off the "general prosecutor". Ultimately Biden did get the prosecutor general fired by withholding foreign aid, and bragged about it on camera. IIRC Trump was impeached for supposedly threatening to withhold foreign aid from Ukraine unless they…

Well first off, is the email real? Even if it is real, do we know if Hunter Biden actually used "his influence"? What indications are there that Hunter Biden's supposed actions were critical to Shokin's firing anyway? Several governments and other organizations were concerned because Shokin wasn't investigating Burisma properly, having laid the investigation he inherited from his predecessor dormant. The demand to fi…

Not even the Biden campaign disputes the emails being real.

They just said they checked his calendar and could find no such meeting, then later backpedaled and said they couldn't discount the possibly that it happened and just wasn't on the official schedule.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by Kiro » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 1:11 PM UTC

CyberRabbi wrote: post #811

invalidusernam3 wrote: post #800

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So hacker news shouldn't be allowed to remove spam comments?

hacker news shouldn’t be allowed to censor legitimate information or dissenting political opinions, which is what is covered by the 1st amendment. It doesn’t mean you can literally say whatever you want, e.g. flood sites with spam.

What is being amended? Use terms that people understand, please. This is an international forum.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by vonseel » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 1:12 PM UTC

res0nat0r wrote: post #741

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #737

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Was the NY Post article actually filled with disinformation? If the roles were reversed and a similar story came out about Trump and his son, would Twitter and Facebook have taken it down as part of a misinformation campaign?

> Was the NY Post article actually filled with disinformation? Yes. Parroting Russian disinformation during an election campaign because your owners don't like the politics of said disinformation target should be removed. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/14/biden-campaign-lash... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/14/us/politics/hunter-biden-... There needs to be more censorship on FB and YouTube which are in addit…

Your bias is clear for all to see.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by skrowl » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 1:12 PM UTC

refurb wrote: post #780

Niten wrote: post #747

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The only thing that terrifies me more than Trump is the number of my tech industry colleagues who seem to think we can and should abuse our power to shape public discourse.

Highly underrated comment. It's easy to be a free speech advocate when it benefits your own views. It's not easy when it doesn't.

If you don't support someone saying something you find disgusting / horrifying / etc, you don't actually support free speech.

'Free speech for my side, but suppress the other side' is not free speech. This is what Facebook / Twitter is engaging in.

You didn't see ANY suppression from them when Trump's tax returns were leaked like they're attempting to do with Hunter's emails.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by amadeuspagel » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 1:20 PM UTC

moron4hire wrote: post #851

amadeuspagel wrote: post #836

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I don't agree. A recommendation engine can (and should) be completely neutral.

The entire point of a recommendation engine is to not be neutral, but to induce some kind of bias. Otherwise, you'd be seeing random entries, not recommended ones.

A neutral recommendation engine is one that simply recommends things that I'll probably like, based on other things I liked without any human interference.