A private party setting standards for acceptable content is NOT censorship. It’s their right, and it’s also a good idea. Anything other than that WOULD be censorship.
YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation
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#432Earlier quoted context omitted.
And how often did the WHO insist that their stance, in any of these three cases which you didn't name, was correct after it turned out to be not the case?
They never redacted some of it.
Neither did they continue with these claims. Stop moving the gioal post. If we keep applying unreasonable near-perfect standards to one side and way more lax standards for the other we don't do good to neither side.
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#433Yay, this is great, and should be used for everything! /s If we used this for medical advice in my country, this would make it very funny... at the start of the epidemic, our government "experts" said: - "healthy people don't need masks" ...and youtube would censor all the "fearmongering paranoics" advocating for mask use. Then on some random spring day, our government makes a new rule: - "you need a mask and gloves…
Don't you think it makes sense that as we learned about how the virus spreads, and as the number of people infected exploded, that the mask recommendation might change? I think you're trying to mock scientific experts, but what kind of expert would NOT be willing to change their recommendation based on new, strong, contrary information? Of course experts would prefer not to make a recommendation until all the facts a…
This is not what happened, not in the US anyway. Fauci, after the recommendations changed, admitted that masks were discouraged to prioritize them for first responders[1].
So we have government health experts publicly saying they engaged in misinformation. But they are the experts against which every other opinion is to be judged as misinformation.
1: https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-c...
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The problem is that govts around the world didn't do this in a scientific fashion. They had mask shortages and wanted to keep the masks for health workers and also not make people worry. Now they have masks and want everyone to wear one. Very hard to have any credibility after a few similar interactions. This is not about speech all over the world (maybe except China), this is about the political elites losing leader…
??? If mask availability is limited, doesn't it make sense to use them where they have the most positive impact? Isn't that just good resource management? That seems good for credibility.
It's the lying and saying mask are of no use then doing a 180 and forcing everyone to wear one. Nothing would say shut if they said it was because of the low stock.
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Actually, if we could snap our fingers and wish social media out of existence tomorrow nothing really bad would happen, besides some influencers becoming poorer. The opposite of social media today (election manipulation, divided societies, ethnic cleansing) is the state of affairs before social media, which wasn't bad at all. I'm struggling to think of large-scale benefits social media has brought us, because the ind…
Obliterating email and whatsapp would probably put a lot of people out of business permanently, far more so than the pandemic. "But I didn't mean those!" OK, fine, now we need to define social media. Clearly everybody wants to count Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter. But some of the major incidents come from memetic circulation of fake news and racial hatred propaganda etc on Whatsapp. The Christchurch shooter (and ot…
You raise a good point. Is the problem "social media", or is it simply democratized publishing? Would a "fediverse" of distributed blogs really be more resistant to misinformation, or would it just be harder to censor? Is this simply a problem inherent to the internet?
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The end game that is feared is the fall of civilization mirroring the collapse of the western roman empire, and it’s quite possible in a thousand years people will peg the collapse of our civilization as having started around 1950 or so. With global climate disasters and large chunks of the population prone to tribal superstition looming, nearly everyone being spoonfed technology they don’t begin to understand much l…
That is a fair concern, and I share it, but one can hardly blame that on social media. The Romans didn't have anything like our modern conception of social media, and they managed to collapse just fine without it. The problem as I see it is that fighting other Romans became more profitable for the Roman decision makers than fighting their neighbours. Social media is an effective tool which can be used as a weapon, bu…
Because the neighbors were Romans.
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#437Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem is that govts around the world didn't do this in a scientific fashion. They had mask shortages and wanted to keep the masks for health workers and also not make people worry. Now they have masks and want everyone to wear one. Very hard to have any credibility after a few similar interactions. This is not about speech all over the world (maybe except China), this is about the political elites losing leader…
??? If mask availability is limited, doesn't it make sense to use them where they have the most positive impact? Isn't that just good resource management? That seems good for credibility.
Sure it does. But lying about that as the reasons and saying masks don't work is misinformation. And that is what the government health officials said.
They intentionally engaged in a misinformation campaign. And now they are considered the authority against which any other opinion will be judged misinformation.
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#438I've been thinking about that a lot recently.
Here's an idea - instead of censoring the false data, we could invest in educating people, developing critical thinking.
Sure, that's more difficult than banhammering posts in social media, but it's more useful in the long-term.
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#439Earlier quoted context omitted.
Happy to engage you in another forum, which would probably be more productive. Ping me if you'd like to video chat. But it's a good question and I'll try to reply in a brief and somewhat hand-wavy way (due to the medium, space, etc) Everything I'm going to say has caveats. And I can't cover them all. Meh. If you believe that the species as a whole has never been this unstable before, then the real question is this: w…
> If you believe that the species as a whole has never been this unstable before What does this actually mean? The world is a very big place, covered by lots of political, economic, and power systems. The West - primarily, but not exclusively, the English-speaking parts - has seen a big change in the way politics is conducted, with less dignity and more verbal viciousness, but this hasn't really been matched by physi…
Imagine being so privileged and blind-sighted that thinking that increased political animosity caused by social media in America is equivalent to the worst instability of the species ever.
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#440Would be curious if they will ban claims that if the vaccine is released before the election then it is dangerous, and if it is released after it is not (a democratic talking point unfortunately).