The persecution of black people, too.
Let’s stop the false equivalency. Should more be done for the black community: absolutely. But black people aren’t locked up by the millions in internment camps.
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#102“Here's my strategy on the Cold War: we win, they lose.” ― Ronald Reagan I think it's becoming clearer and clearer that this strategy has to be adopted with China as well. They are out to win, to dominate the world, and they won't back down, and they will use any method to do it. And ask yourself if the world you see inside China is what you want spreading.
I'm gonna get a lot of flak for this, but I think there's a massive anti-China narrative on HN. I see so much talk that's based off of people's view from an entirely Western media-centred POV. There's so much more to what's going on. There's a lot of pot calling the kettle black too. There's a lot of good stuff in the TLS from a few weeks back. Han is the cultural race/ethnicity in mainland China. [0] It's about 92%…
History has shown that the CCP will oppress the Han chinese if they do not bow down to their ideology.
"approximately 65,000 Falun Gong practitioners had been killed for their organs between 2000 and 2008" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go...
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
It should be acknowledged that this strategy ultimately ended up with the Taliban and our 20+ year occupation of Afghanistan and various massacres throughout central america. > The presidency of Ronald Reagan in the United States was marked by multiple scandals, resulting in the investigation, indictment, or conviction of over 138 administration officials Which was (still is?) The most for any president.
And the freeing of half of Europe from tyranny. The reduction in threat of nuclear annihilation of the world. The opening up of huge amounts of the world to free trade and prosperity.
It's easy to say in hindsight, but Reagan's attitude could easily have escalated the cold war and caused a nuclear attack.
The entire debacle during the cold war was less strong and smart political leaders and more pure luck. We now know that there were people that, if they had followed protocol, would have taken that extra step to nuclear deployment. The only reason they didn't is sheer, dumb luck.
If the lessons we learn from history are to deify the actions of men like Reagan, then I truly hope that we have more of that luck in our future.
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#104I'm no fan of the US, but too many people here are basically saying "the US does bad stuff too". You're not wrong, your point just irrelevant. 2 things can be bad without either excusing the other...
The point is to illustrate that this article is serving an anti-China narrative, which has been motivated over several years and decades by right-wing politicians looking for a palatable enemy to unite behind (replacing Russia in this role)
China can and does do bad things, but why do we read about that more often and with more emphasis than Western countries doing bad things?
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#105I'm no fan of the US, but too many people here are basically saying "the US does bad stuff too". You're not wrong, your point just irrelevant. 2 things can be bad without either excusing the other...
Yea, but it gets boring. Nobody is going to call for sanctions on America for anything and you'll never see a constant stream of articles for anything the US does.
When the US drops a record amount of bombs on a country[1] in a war people barely think about anymore and people barely blink an eye, is it really humans (lets not even talk about human rights yet), but rather just our fellow human beings, that people care about.
[1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/28/us-afghanist...
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is the US really much better than China? We do similar to black, Native American, and immigrant people. I'm not sure I want either winning in their current state.
This is an incredibly low-information perspective that's got to go. China is an authoritarian single-party state where citizens have no liberty, no justice, no recourse. It couldn't be more different to the US. The ongoing demoralization of the US like this is outright sister.
> where citizens have no liberty, no justice, no recourse
Disagree if you mean in general sense. You need to define it in far more details. I guess you mean “when their interest conflicts with the government”. Ask common Chinese citizens who live a non-activist life if they agreed that they are slaves and don’t have any of those rights
Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity
#107“Here's my strategy on the Cold War: we win, they lose.” ― Ronald Reagan I think it's becoming clearer and clearer that this strategy has to be adopted with China as well. They are out to win, to dominate the world, and they won't back down, and they will use any method to do it. And ask yourself if the world you see inside China is what you want spreading.
The world I see inside USA doesn't seem like something worth spreading either.
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#108It stands to reason that had Nazi Germany not attacked its neighbors, the rest of the world would have happily stood by and watched them execute their own Jewish/undesirables population with nothing more than some strongly-worded letters and trade sanctions.
Most likely. People often forget that before the invasion of Poland in 1939 Germany had already annexed Austria and Czechoslovakia. So even attacks on neighbouring nations had to escalate quite a bit before any action was taken by the UK and France.
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
Didn't China just get on to the human rights committee too? Edit: yes, the human rights council, joined by Russia and Cuba. What a time to be alive.
Now is nothing special. Australia commenced a two-year term as a non-permanent member of the UN Security Council on On 1 January 2013. Australia–East Timor spying scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia-East_Timor_spying_sc... Then on 16 October 2017, in New York, the United Nations General Assembly elected Australia to serve on the Human Rights Council (HRC) for the 2018-20 term. Witness K and the 'outrageou…
To be frank, that spy scandal is not in the same genre of the other abuses that are being discussed by OP/GP and others.
And it looks like the treaty was renegotiated (Australia was shamed) so I’m not sure why you dug this example up
> In 2018, the parties signed a new agreement which gave 80% of the profits to East Timor and 20% to Australia.
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#110The future looks scary if China is going to lead the world. Our best bet is to share wealth and innovation to all the other countries to try and reduce economic power of a single country. Having India, Pakistan, Thailand, Taiwan, Korea and Japan grow enough to create a sort of "buffer zone" around China.
The future is scary if any sole country leads the world. Only cooperation and shared responsibility creates a viable future for humanity.