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The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Post by vmception »

tsjq wrote: post #36

Quite surprised that the Al Qaeda, Taliban, ISIS, et al Global-Islamic-Caliphate forces haven't tried anything at this aggression against Muslims in China.

Which is why maybe you should actually understand Islam, what triggers radicalism, what doesn't, and how "The West" also gets that wrong, and how China navigates an exemption from Jihad.

Al Queda was specifically formed to create a predictable response from the West that the West would never get out of. Bin Laden's purpose of Al Queda was to make a war with them so expensive that the US tears itself apart over budget considerations alone. So, funny story...

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Post by meiraleal »

zpeti wrote: post #50
Miner49er wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the US really much better than China? We do similar to black, Native American, and immigrant people. I'm not sure I want either winning in their current state.

The US has concentration camps for blacks, native americans and immigrants, where they reeducate you to follow a tyrannical political system? Are they tracked through a social credit system where you can't get a train out of your town if it's bad? Where journalists repeteadly disappear? Where a treaty with the UK is ripped up and a city is invaded? Yeah. Accurate.

> The US has concentration camps for blacks, native americans and immigrants, where they reeducate you to follow a tyrannical political system?

Yes, they are called ghettos.

> Are they tracked through a social credit system where you can't get a train out of your town if it's bad?

Yes, it's called the prison system.

> Where journalists repeteadly disappear?

not only journalists, but political leaders, rappers, pastors, etc.

> Where a treaty with the UK is ripped up and a city is invaded?

Well, that's the easiest one. The US is waging war against 3 or 4 African countries right now.

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Post by 0xfaded »

pizza234 wrote: post #27
webmobdev wrote: post #10

It's incredibly sad that the world is not doing anything about it. Even if half of the things they say are true - putting anyone in camps for sporting a beard or praying in public, forced prison labour, physical torture, separating new borns and kids from parents in camp, sending kids to brainwashing schools, sexual abuse, organ harvesting etc - it's enough to make anyone feel disgusted at this state of affairs. But…

What can the world realistically do? China right now has enormous power over the rest of the world (by means of economical dependency), and I don't see that decreasing. To be clear, I certainly support human rights, but I personally see the situation as so bad, that I'm worried about how China's influence will extend to the West.

If anything the last year has shown that the economy is more reconfigurable than what was previously thought. Meanwhile, new green-dealers are promoting moving manufacturing back to Europe to deal with the climate crisis.

One solution is to use the ECB to print money, which is fine so long as the new money is used to build public assets and the majority of the new money is absorbed by labor. The core competency of EU innovation programs is micromanaging hourly expenditures. I'm sure some of that machinery could be moved over to building public assets in a way that doesn't overly enrich the holders of capital.

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Post by christkv »

zpeti wrote: post #48
ianleeclark wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should be acknowledged that this strategy ultimately ended up with the Taliban and our 20+ year occupation of Afghanistan and various massacres throughout central america. > The presidency of Ronald Reagan in the United States was marked by multiple scandals, resulting in the investigation, indictment, or conviction of over 138 administration officials Which was (still is?) The most for any president.

And the freeing of half of Europe from tyranny. The reduction in threat of nuclear annihilation of the world. The opening up of huge amounts of the world to free trade and prosperity.

And the rest of Europe avoiding an invasion from the Soviet Union due to NATO and us security guarantees.

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Post by scotty79 »

onetimemanytime wrote: post #65
LatteLazy wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Security Council nations all agreed that rules didn't apply to Security Council nations. The issue here is the UN has zero power to stop this and that's by design.

USA, EU members, Canada, Japan, Australia to start have a lot of power to make China think twice. SANCTIONS! Start with small sanctions first and then a sliding scale if they keep going. But good luck getting them all in the same page, they'll try to cheat and cut backroom deals with China.

Nobody sanctioned USA when George W started two wars on a whim against global community. So, no, nobody is going to sanction China, for exactly the same reasons.

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Post by jiuahweruihawi »

wombatmobile wrote: post #52
zdragnar wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't China just get on to the human rights committee too? Edit: yes, the human rights council, joined by Russia and Cuba. What a time to be alive.

Now is nothing special. Australia commenced a two-year term as a non-permanent member of the UN Security Council on On 1 January 2013. Australia–East Timor spying scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia-East_Timor_spying_sc... Then on 16 October 2017, in New York, the United Nations General Assembly elected Australia to serve on the Human Rights Council (HRC) for the 2018-20 term. Witness K and the 'outrageou…

So bugging a political opponent's room is comparable to exterminating an entire ethnic group?

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Post by sasaf5 »

Miner49er wrote: post #42
zpeti wrote: post #18

“Here's my strategy on the Cold War: we win, they lose.” ― Ronald Reagan I think it's becoming clearer and clearer that this strategy has to be adopted with China as well. They are out to win, to dominate the world, and they won't back down, and they will use any method to do it. And ask yourself if the world you see inside China is what you want spreading.

Is the US really much better than China? We do similar to black, Native American, and immigrant people. I'm not sure I want either winning in their current state.

Yes, just the freedom of talking about the issue already makes the US much better than China.

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Post by GauntletWizard »

andi999 wrote: post #80
GauntletWizard wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you haven’t heard of it, like I hadn’t: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/14/french-genghis-k...

Thanks. There must be more to this story. Everybody in China knows about the Yuan dynasty (and its origin).

Today. Today, everyone knows about it. The unpleasant parts of history have a tendency of disappearing. In a hundred years time, we might only remember Xanadu.

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Post by chaostheory »

herbstein wrote: post #62
zpeti wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US has concentration camps for blacks, native americans and immigrants, where they reeducate you to follow a tyrannical political system? Are they tracked through a social credit system where you can't get a train out of your town if it's bad? Where journalists repeteadly disappear? Where a treaty with the UK is ripped up and a city is invaded? Yeah. Accurate.

Well, the US does have the concentration camps at the border where forced surgeries and sterilizations are being performed.

Camps yes, but if you're going to be technical, it's actually spread through out the United States and not just at the border and it is bad when you compare it to other developed countries.

Forced surgeries and sterilizations? For a claim like that, you're going to have to cite a credible source. As imperfect as we are, we're not as bad as China.

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Post by jiuahweruihawi »

ianleeclark wrote: post #39
zpeti wrote: post #18

“Here's my strategy on the Cold War: we win, they lose.” ― Ronald Reagan I think it's becoming clearer and clearer that this strategy has to be adopted with China as well. They are out to win, to dominate the world, and they won't back down, and they will use any method to do it. And ask yourself if the world you see inside China is what you want spreading.

It should be acknowledged that this strategy ultimately ended up with the Taliban and our 20+ year occupation of Afghanistan and various massacres throughout central america. > The presidency of Ronald Reagan in the United States was marked by multiple scandals, resulting in the investigation, indictment, or conviction of over 138 administration officials Which was (still is?) The most for any president.

I mean, it also led to the fall of a tyrannical regime that murdered tens of millions and was every bit as sadistic and evil as Nazi Germany. So there's that.
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