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Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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I think it will occur naturally over the next few decades. Each misstep that Big Tech / Big Media makes chips off a tiny sliver of their edifice. Over time this will splinter into a thousand pieces, and some attempt to unify information across them will be invented and adopted. It’s easy to forget that the modern Internet itself is only about thirty years old. We’re still at the very, very early stages.

I was on the early Internet. I miss it greatly, but also, it was the wild west, which was awesome when I was essentially living in the woods secluded from the outside world. The freedom was intoxicating. It ended up shaping my entire life. I've watched the Internet grow and evolve into what it is and spent the majority of my free time participating in it from 1993 until today and probably until I die. The thing is, t…

> How does it get better before it gets much worse?

This is the million dollar question. For me I came to see how dogmatic ideas like the Intellectual Monopoly system are. How economic theories fall apart in the face of the gift of digital technology and it's zero marginal cost of reproduction.

I am deeply inspired by the writing and work of Arthur Brock and Eric Harris-Braun.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Happy to engage you in another forum, which would probably be more productive. Ping me if you'd like to video chat. But it's a good question and I'll try to reply in a brief and somewhat hand-wavy way (due to the medium, space, etc) Everything I'm going to say has caveats. And I can't cover them all. Meh. If you believe that the species as a whole has never been this unstable before, then the real question is this: w…

Your thesis is based on the notion that “society is unstable” more than ever before. How are you measuring that? Despite tons of noise in social media, real life up has been incredibly stable for the last couple of decades in the west. The least amount of violence, lowest extreme poverty, highest disposable income, etc etc. In the 70s (before social media), there were multiple bombings every year in the US. That is c…

> Your thesis is based on the notion that “society is unstable” more than ever before

It certainly isn't. But it is more polarized and increasing content control in the last 10 years made everything 10x times worse. We continue on this path...

If people just could run their mouths more freely in the most vulgar form, I think the situation would improve quickly. Some people watch sports for that, but I think really telling you opinion to someone on the internet can also be helpful. I don't think the world is ending from that.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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The WHO, and all other western CDC-like orgs, made one mistake regarding masks early on during the pandemic. One. A mistake they corrected since. And because of that, you and other see them as totally discredited. On the other hand, the "alternative" sources suggest bleach, un-proofed and not working medication, global conspiracies involving chips and 5G and what not. Seriously, get a grip.

Completely false. The WHO claimed there was no evidence of human to human transmission after doctors in Wuhan were already getting sick, failed to share warnings from Taiwanese researchers with the rest of the world, argued against travel restrictions from China and also claimed mask use wasn't helpful. They did a horrible job that has cost many, many lives. I've been in Taiwan and was gritting my teeth while diffing…

China and WHO confirmed human to human transmission on Jan 20, before any doctors died and before China closed Wuhan province. Anyone who says or implies otherwise are lying or misinformed.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/20/coronavirus-sp...

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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I'll preface this by stating that I hate the idea of censorship and I always have. However, were I to happen across someone motionless on the floor with a needle in their arm, I would give them NARCAN instead of a ride to a rehab center. I'm from the United States. Social media is currently poisoning our country to a degree that I think it may be too late to try and draw out the fight for free speech by using free sp…

Free speech cannot be sacrificed. We’ll lose everything.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

#396

I'll preface this by stating that I hate the idea of censorship and I always have. However, were I to happen across someone motionless on the floor with a needle in their arm, I would give them NARCAN instead of a ride to a rehab center. I'm from the United States. Social media is currently poisoning our country to a degree that I think it may be too late to try and draw out the fight for free speech by using free sp…

The problem with censorship is that it "proves" that there is a "conspiracy" and it is like putting gas on a fire. I know this from people around me who believe in that stuff. If something is taken offline, than that "damn mainstream media is trying to hide a truth". EDIT: IMHO, it would be much better option to flag/warn that video as misleading and provide link to resources with correct information.

Actually, I would say the problem with censorship is that it rarely stops at a good place. It might start from good intentions, but eventually we're shushing people that go against the herd without actually knowing they're wrong.

In this case, it seems pretty obvious that there aren't microchips in vaccines. I'm not even sure what those chips would do, or how they'd work.

But what if some day the government really did do that, or something else that seems ridiculous? We'll be censoring anyone who tries to tell us otherwise.

And 1 step worse: The government could order YouTube/etc to do that censoring, and it'll look like it's just their normal thing.

The problem with censorship is that legit and valuable free speech will eventually be restricted.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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> Social media is currently poisoning our country to a degree that I think it may be too late to try and draw out the fight for free speech by using free speech alone. Why do people think this? A few selected anecdotes and some tiny numbers (1000 people liking a post talking about covid causing 5G? Tiny numbers)? What is the end-game that is so feared? If the people as a whole can't be trusted to make sensible decisi…

The end game that is feared is the fall of civilization mirroring the collapse of the western roman empire, and it’s quite possible in a thousand years people will peg the collapse of our civilization as having started around 1950 or so. With global climate disasters and large chunks of the population prone to tribal superstition looming, nearly everyone being spoonfed technology they don’t begin to understand much l…

That is a fair concern, and I share it, but one can hardly blame that on social media. The Romans didn't have anything like our modern conception of social media, and they managed to collapse just fine without it. The problem as I see it is that fighting other Romans became more profitable for the Roman decision makers than fighting their neighbours.

Social media is an effective tool which can be used as a weapon, but the problem isn't that Americans have effective weapons; it's that they're incentivised to use them against each other. The solution to me seems pretty obviously a return to federalism. It's the fact that there is only one throne that makes everyone fight for it with whatever is at hand rather than build things up locally.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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The WHO, and all other western CDC-like orgs, made one mistake regarding masks early on during the pandemic. One. A mistake they corrected since. And because of that, you and other see them as totally discredited. On the other hand, the "alternative" sources suggest bleach, un-proofed and not working medication, global conspiracies involving chips and 5G and what not. Seriously, get a grip.

No, they also protested banning of flights (e.g. when Trump banned flights from China and later from the EU), praised China on their pandemic response, ... most recently, they only came out against lockdowns just now , even though others (e.g. Trump, Sweden, ...) were promoting this policy for months already.

The WHO hasn't come out against lockdowns and only one person is saying they have. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2...

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

#399

I'll preface this by stating that I hate the idea of censorship and I always have. However, were I to happen across someone motionless on the floor with a needle in their arm, I would give them NARCAN instead of a ride to a rehab center. I'm from the United States. Social media is currently poisoning our country to a degree that I think it may be too late to try and draw out the fight for free speech by using free sp…

Free speech cannot be sacrificed. We’ll lose everything.

I support some extremely limited baseline censorship. Pretty much just "don't incite violence or get people harmed/killed". But I guess you need a World War ravaging your continent first to get there.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Now think about all the conspiracy theories that actually turned out to be truth. MK ULTRA, Dark Alliance, Tuskegee Syphilis Study, COINTELPRO, PRISM, you name it. Would these be banned ("fact checked") from YouTube, Facebook or Twitter under these new rules? On the other hand, there is a clear evidence that authoritarian regimes (Russia) are weaponizing social media, using troll farms, puppet accounts and fake news,…

> What is the correct solution here, that I don't know. I know, ban what is fundamentally rooted in bullshit. Homeopathy, "all and every vaccine is bad", "these essential oils will cure your cancer", "5G causes corona", "earth is flat". Done, there's no collateral damage, but helluva lot less lying.

> ban what is fundamentally rooted in bullshit

A noble sentiment, but the problem lies in who gets to decide what is and what isn't bullshit.

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