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The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Post by steve_g »

Miner49er wrote: post #42
zpeti wrote: post #18

“Here's my strategy on the Cold War: we win, they lose.” ― Ronald Reagan I think it's becoming clearer and clearer that this strategy has to be adopted with China as well. They are out to win, to dominate the world, and they won't back down, and they will use any method to do it. And ask yourself if the world you see inside China is what you want spreading.

Is the US really much better than China? We do similar to black, Native American, and immigrant people. I'm not sure I want either winning in their current state.

I think the US is better. Our last ethnicity-based concentration camps occurred 75 years ago, and have now been repudiated by all branches of government.

And we never used the prisoners as organ banks.

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Post by whoevercares »

goku99 wrote: post #12

I don't understand what's the point of UN when these things are happening in a permanent UNSC member country. This C has been causing nuisance to their neighbors all the time. They Debt-Trap poor nations and exploit them. From Mongols to India, every neighbor has a problem, they are probably most worst neighbor you could get. Recently it was in news with yet another conflict with India[1]. This needs to stop. Entire…

What’s the point of you second anecdote[2]??? Chinese people suffered the first remember and get it in control. they are well deserved for whatever vacation they want to have. The second half of your comment looks like provocation.

As for the “worst” neighbor part, you can’t just focus on one side of the story. Check the economic statistics and ask the business owners in those neighbor countries if they think China is the worst neighbor. Ask if they want to be given a “better” neighbor while cut their revenue in half. People do benefit from China economically a lot .

Also Everyone wants more in terms of borders and ocean resources, don’t be too biased.

Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity

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Post by colechristensen »

goku99 wrote: post #40
colechristensen wrote: post #4

Seeing this stated so clearly and prominently in an influential publication brings me hope. I am skeptical though that many people, especially those in the position to make influential choices, especially those who have profit tied up with China, will do anything other than see it and nod.

China has extremely powerful group of lobbying. They have ability to control a nation. They have silenced a peaceful protest condemning Uyghurs treatment in germany - "...Think about your family" they said.[2] I doubt even Germany could do anything. Just yesterday, they raised concern of referring Genghis Khan as mongol, shamelessly trying to rewrite history.[1] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/14/china…

I heard a Yale history professor make a similar claim that the Huns were closely related to the nomadic people now in mongolia. I’m sure china is saying so for propaganda reasons but the best propaganda contains a lot of truth.

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Post by throwaway2048 »

goku99 wrote: post #12

I don't understand what's the point of UN when these things are happening in a permanent UNSC member country. This C has been causing nuisance to their neighbors all the time. They Debt-Trap poor nations and exploit them. From Mongols to India, every neighbor has a problem, they are probably most worst neighbor you could get. Recently it was in news with yet another conflict with India[1]. This needs to stop. Entire…

The point of the UN is to prevent WW3, not act as the world government.

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Post by dalbasal »

goku99 wrote: post #12

I don't understand what's the point of UN when these things are happening in a permanent UNSC member country. This C has been causing nuisance to their neighbors all the time. They Debt-Trap poor nations and exploit them. From Mongols to India, every neighbor has a problem, they are probably most worst neighbor you could get. Recently it was in news with yet another conflict with India[1]. This needs to stop. Entire…

The UN(SC) isn't and has never been a "just solution" or even idealistic in any way. It was and is a way to stop (ultimately nuclear) confrontation between members to prevent WWIII.It has been instrumental to this goal, and this is the actual purpose of the UN. The General Assembly is a nicety.

At different points in time, any member could have had such charges like you make leveled at them. This doesn't mean crimes against the Uyghurs (and indigenous people more broadly) should not be challenged, but "abolish the UN" isn't going to help.

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Post by benlumen »

Miner49er wrote: post #42
zpeti wrote: post #18

“Here's my strategy on the Cold War: we win, they lose.” ― Ronald Reagan I think it's becoming clearer and clearer that this strategy has to be adopted with China as well. They are out to win, to dominate the world, and they won't back down, and they will use any method to do it. And ask yourself if the world you see inside China is what you want spreading.

Is the US really much better than China? We do similar to black, Native American, and immigrant people. I'm not sure I want either winning in their current state.

This is an incredibly low-information perspective that's got to go. China is an authoritarian single-party state where citizens have no liberty, no justice, no recourse. It couldn't be more different to the US.

The ongoing demoralization of the US like this is outright sister.

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Post by andi999 »

GauntletWizard wrote: post #11
EliRivers wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh yes, like that exhibition in France that mentioned Ghengis Khan. Can't have that; it goes against the CCCP narrative of the history of China.

If you haven’t heard of it, like I hadn’t: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/14/french-genghis-k...

Thanks. There must be more to this story. Everybody in China knows about the Yuan dynasty (and its origin).
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