Earlier quoted context omitted.
its Tibet now
Tibet is done.
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The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity
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Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity
#32It stands to reason that had Nazi Germany not attacked its neighbors, the rest of the world would have happily stood by and watched them execute their own Jewish/undesirables population with nothing more than some strongly-worded letters and trade sanctions.
Yes, sure, that's the prevailing opinion probably since even before WW2 had ended. Though without attacking neighbours, the scale of Holocaust would be greatly limited, since just a small fraction of all the killed people lived within the borders of pre-war Germany. If we look at all the (many!) genocides of 20th century, it's clear that the world is not going to respond with military intervention as long as you're e…
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Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity
#33The future looks scary if China is going to lead the world. Our best bet is to share wealth and innovation to all the other countries to try and reduce economic power of a single country.
Having India, Pakistan, Thailand, Taiwan, Korea and Japan grow enough to create a sort of "buffer zone" around China.
Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity
#34Often in discussions like this, someone claims that the Uighur crackdown is necessary “because Islamist extremism”. I strongly encourage everyone to familiarize themselves with the history of the Uighurs under Chinese rule, because this isn’t really about Islam.
Namely, there used to be a very strong secular movement among the Uighurs, whose main complaint wasn’t the inability to practise Islam (some of these activists were atheists, even Communists themselves) but rather defending the use of the Uighur language in public and in official usage, and resisting the heavy Han Chinese settlement that would lead to the Uighurs becoming a minority in their own province. What happened is that Beijing cracked down on these secular activists, either imprisoning them in China or forcing them into exile in Turkey or the West.
Thus by the early millennium, with the secular activists out of the way, the only forces remaining within Xinjiang that could organize were religious ones, with some support from other Muslim states. Beijing was pleased with the US War on Terror around that time, which allowed it to frame its crackdown on the Uighurs as a reaction to Islamist radicalism, but as I said, the roots really go back to ethnic and linguistic pressures, not religious ones.
Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity
#35This is the major humanitarian issue of our time. It's time to put aside profits and apply economic pressure to end this (and other crimes against tibetans, mongols etc). Does the enlightenment project in the West have any energy left?
No, too busy dumpster diving into woke culture
Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity
#36Quite surprised that the Al Qaeda, Taliban, ISIS, et al Global-Islamic-Caliphate forces haven't tried anything at this aggression against Muslims in China.
Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity
#37“Here's my strategy on the Cold War: we win, they lose.” ― Ronald Reagan I think it's becoming clearer and clearer that this strategy has to be adopted with China as well. They are out to win, to dominate the world, and they won't back down, and they will use any method to do it. And ask yourself if the world you see inside China is what you want spreading.
Any evidence for that claim?
Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity
#38Seeing this stated so clearly and prominently in an influential publication brings me hope. I am skeptical though that many people, especially those in the position to make influential choices, especially those who have profit tied up with China, will do anything other than see it and nod.
I’m skeptical that there’ll be any action just as there has been no action after similar stories elsewhere in pretty high-profile media outlets. The Washington Post ran the op-ed "China’s attacks on Uighur women are crimes against humanity” almost a year ago. [1] Foreign Policy magazine ran the argument "China Must Answer for Cultural Genocide in Court” in December last year. [2] The Atlantic ran a piece headlined "S…
What needs to happen is prominent people the Chinese population pays attention to need to call out and embarrass the state. The NBA taking a stand would have been great.
Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity
#39“Here's my strategy on the Cold War: we win, they lose.” ― Ronald Reagan I think it's becoming clearer and clearer that this strategy has to be adopted with China as well. They are out to win, to dominate the world, and they won't back down, and they will use any method to do it. And ask yourself if the world you see inside China is what you want spreading.
It should be acknowledged that this strategy ultimately ended up with the Taliban and our 20+ year occupation of Afghanistan and various massacres throughout central america.
> The presidency of Ronald Reagan in the United States was marked by multiple scandals, resulting in the investigation, indictment, or conviction of over 138 administration officials
Which was (still is?) The most for any president.
Re: The persecution of the Uyghurs is a crime against humanity
#40Seeing this stated so clearly and prominently in an influential publication brings me hope. I am skeptical though that many people, especially those in the position to make influential choices, especially those who have profit tied up with China, will do anything other than see it and nod.
China has extremely powerful group of lobbying. They have ability to control a nation. They have silenced a peaceful protest condemning Uyghurs treatment in germany - "...Think about your family" they said.[2] I doubt even Germany could do anything. Just yesterday, they raised concern of referring Genghis Khan as mongol, shamelessly trying to rewrite history.[1]
[1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/14/china-insists-...
[2] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/17/think-of-your-...