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Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by hef19898 »

uyt wrote: post #84
s3r3nity wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree on this one - authoritative bodies can be wrong / misled as well, and shouldn't be the only arbiters of truth. Ex: The WHO made many mistakes during COVID, including faulty recommendations and (alleged) influence by a governing body to limit bad press. [1] (Before the ad hominem attacks come in, I'm obviously very pro vaccine...but against censorship and generally distrust authoritative bodies of most kinds.) […

Youtube's content moderation team also has a terrible track record. One of my favorite science channels, Cody's Lab, gets banned all the time because he has educational videos on making explosives. The guy is so family friendly he doesn't even swear in his videos.

Showing people how to make explosives at home is the opposite of family friendly. Mixing this stiff is dangerous, for those mixing and for those near by. Neither is it educational. Nor true science. Imagine he would make the same videos about drugs instead of explosives, would it still be family friendly? Both things are basic chemistry after all.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by Talanes »

Barrin92 wrote: post #117
brigandish wrote: post #72

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More freedom of speech is the answer to misinformation because then it can be challenged. Censorship allows convenient mistruths to spread unchallenged.

There's literally no reason to believe that this is correct and anything else other than dogma. There's quite a lot of psychological evidence suggesting that first impressions stick stronger than corrections (which everyone knows who has ever accidentally believed something just because they heard it quickly), that only people who are predisposed to corrections actually believe them, and that in others corrections ev…

I know this is anecdotal, but in someone like my dad removing the video has the same effect. I'm pretty sure he's really bought into a few COVID videos that he watched drunk on Youtube because they were removed by the time he tried to go back and revisit them sober.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by hef19898 »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #118
gizmo385 wrote: post #89

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> But remember back in March? Our glorious leaders were urging us not to buy masks because they don’t work, and besides, doctors need them. I think this is a bit disingenuous. First of all, you're looking back with the benefit of hindsight and the knowledge of the virus that we have today. Additionally, weren't most of the recommendations around mask wearing that people not gobble up PPE because there was such a shor…

The benefit of a free exchange of ideas is that it allows people to originate and develop the ideas that we later recognize are correct in hindsight. The eventual move towards masks wasn't inevitable; there are some countries even today where masks aren't broadly recommended, so if Internet platforms had banned mask advocacy in March there probably would have been a lot more. (I'm not sure this is on point to Youtube…

That is one big leap, assuming the WHO and other public health organizations would not have changed their minds if it wasn't for "experts" on the internet. I highly doubt that.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

anonymousiam wrote: post #14
ikiris wrote: post #10

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[citation needed]

Enter this search on Google and see what you get: "Is hydroxychloroquine effective in treating COVID-19?" Why should there be such a controversy about this issue? It only became political when Trump mentioned it.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Do_your_own_research; do not tell people to do their own research. When you present an argument, you are responsible for providing the sources to back up said argument.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

anonymousiam wrote: post #42
gruez wrote: post #25

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>Enter this search on Google and see what you get: "Is hydroxychloroquine effective in treating COVID-19?" what am I supposed to be looking at? is there supposed to be an info box that says "yes" or "no"?

Sorry for not being clear. I am not the best communicator. What you should notice upon entering that search term are the wildly conflicting results. Google will present a "No" answer near the top, but if you scroll down through the thousands of results, you will see some saying "Yes", some saying "No", and some saying "We don't know". Google (and all of the other big social media giants) was quick to post a definitiv…

You shouldn't make any conclusions based on skimming search results though. Ask critical questions like:

- Who is answering the question?

- Who paid for that answer?

- What platform is it posted on, and where lie their loyalties?

The problem with search results for questions like that is that you end up on a ton of trash media sites, none of which are neutral; they are all paid for, operated by or supported by parties with political goals and ambitions.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by nobody9999 »

raverbashing wrote: post #103
anonymousiam wrote: post #44

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That is true, but now his post has been "Flagged" so it is officially censored.

You can always 'showdead' on your HN preferences.

>You can always 'showdead' on your HN preferences.

I haven't been around here very long and recently figured out 'showdead' because I wanted to be able to see what folks were talking about -- especially when there were replies to such comments.

In fact, even if I'm skimming comments, I always read flagged/dead comments -- to make sure I hear all the voices. Even the ones I don't appreciate or even dislike (although that's not always the 'dead' ones)

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by josteink »

deadalus wrote: post #107

Alternative Video Sites : https://lbry.tv/ https://www.dailymotion.com/ https://www.bitchute.com/ https://dlive.tv/ https://bittube.tv/

If you want to fight centralized censorship, there's really one thing missing on your list:

https://joinpeertube.org/

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by SifJar »

hef19898 wrote: post #114
s3r3nity wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree on this one - authoritative bodies can be wrong / misled as well, and shouldn't be the only arbiters of truth. Ex: The WHO made many mistakes during COVID, including faulty recommendations and (alleged) influence by a governing body to limit bad press. [1] (Before the ad hominem attacks come in, I'm obviously very pro vaccine...but against censorship and generally distrust authoritative bodies of most kinds.) […

You assume that the WHO and others have to be right all the time everytime. And that they changed their minds regarding COVID-19 because of "public" pressure and not because of new insights. Both assumptions are not correct IMHO. The CDC did bow to political authority on COVID-19 measures so. Contrary to science.

> You assume that the WHO and others have to be right all the time everytime.

If information is going to be censored based on what they say, they do have to be right all the time. And the point is, they aren't right all the time.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by rudedogg »

0xy wrote: post #130
pzmTWLwfwJ wrote: post #126

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Isn't this how science works, you have new information and you use it to make a better decision.

Dr Fauci publicly claimed masks were not effective as a means of protecting the supply of masks to healthcare workers, he knew his claims were false at the time he made them. So no, it wasn't "science", it was deliberately misleading public statements.

This was so disappointing to watch happen. It was obvious (even at the time) that it was to keep people from hoarding masks so they were available for healthcare workers. Fauci, the Surgeon General, and everyone else should have refused to lie.

Now the damage is done, and more people distrust Science.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by j0ba »

psudmant wrote: post #92

The "slippery slope" is always a lazy argument w. little substance. It's easy to get induction wrong even in simple math problems let alone trying to pigeonhole humanity into tidy formula. The idea that the market will regulate itself because (... because what?) is also lazy. The bottom line is it really makes a great deal of sense to say,"hey, don't drink bleach," "hey, no Nazis on this platform please!", "hey, it's…

The only thing that's lazy is imagining that all situations have obvious choices of what's right and wrong, and that people who don't agree with you are crazy, stupid, or bad people. What's much more likely is that you are highly ignorant to all the facts. Your "good conscience" would lead humanity into a hellish reality. Or was nazi germany an impossible "slippery slope"?
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