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Re: Re-Thinking the Desktop OS

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You've tried every desktop manager for Linux and spent enough time with them to be sure you didn't like them? Very impressive. Not sure what your reliability metrics are, but I've run Linux and macOS desktops side by side for years now (decades, even), and I don't really detect much of a difference. The macOS ones do tend to have the benefit of a rigid hardware platform, which is why I suppose they do a bit less well…

Rather than give me negative points, how about you folks doing that trying to actually respond?

If you want good-faith responses, it's best not to be a jerk in what you're posting. Actually, your comment would be excellent if it had been just the second paragraph. Unfortunately the first paragraph negated it (and then some) before it even had a chance. That's one reason why the HN guidelines include "Don't be snarky."

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting here, we'd be grateful and you'll get much more interesting responses. Note these in particular:

"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."

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Re: Re-Thinking the Desktop OS

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I’ve had this thought for a while that the Desktop UI needs to be reinvented to fit the user in two main ways:

- People Centric. Associate files, notes, alerts, calendar entries, emails, documents with your contacts or contact group. Chat using an open protocol. This is in stark contrast with the data silo approach we have going on now.

- Project Based. Want to create a new app? Create a new project. All files associated with a project can live in a container and be shared in other containers. Filter for types of files that you are looking for. This basically reinvents the Finder/Explorer UI to avoid creating complicated hierarchies for the user.

I’d argue that this approach to a more people centric UI would be scalable to mobile as well.

Re: Re-Thinking the Desktop OS

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I e recently arrived at the conclusion that we need semantic interfaces (think semantic web). Where things are naturally cross referential and indexing is useful beyond clever search hacks. With so much of our day to day lives being digital it would be UI 2.0 to finally break this barrier. It struck me like a brick wall how I released that my interactions with the “machine” are incredibly isolated from one another and despite advances in Machine learning it still doesn’t build a great predictive index locally that I can leverage for finding or surfacing my own precious content or natural suggestions for whom I may want to share a certain piece of knowledge with and that’s just a small example I can think of quickly

Some of the tech mentioned in this Twitter thread is pretty neat too. Maybe I should take a second look at Pharo

It’s my dream to work in some kind of next level browser/app that would leverage this kind of thinking. One day I hope

Re: Re-Thinking the Desktop OS

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Sorry to say this but I have been seeing this 'rethinking of the Desktop' trend for a couple of years now. Every now and then someone comes up with a new 'concept', but I am yet to see a real product that is not just a reformulation with good looking UI, and whose functionalities cannot be achieved with good old Keyboard-driven workflows in GNU/Linux.

Re: Re-Thinking the Desktop OS

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Wow, I'm masively disappointed with this thread.

We have so many different Desktop "OS's" already. There's hardly a need for a _revolution_; strong stability and support is needed but there's just no paying market for it by the looks of it.

4 biggest desktop environments are by mega corporations (apple, microsoft) and by big open-source collectives (Gnome, KDE). But is that it? No, there's also a bunch of tilling-window managers with their own desktop philosophies, there are entire terminal drawing frameworks with full GUI support.

Desktop is awesome. If anything mobile is the one needing to catch up. iOS and Android are awful, awful environments outside of casual usage. Just try writing up a document on your phone! Just imagine what could be if they were on the level _desktops_?

Real question: Do we continue to dumb down software to exclusive casual usage for house-moms or we try to move our society to be more techn savy as we are clearly moving to a more tech relying world. Why shouldn't everyone know how to code?

To paraprashe Mr. Engelbart: it's a failed tool if you use it exactly the same way the day you bought it and a year after.

Re: Re-Thinking the Desktop OS

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post #62

I’ve had this thought for a while that the Desktop UI needs to be reinvented to fit the user in two main ways: - People Centric. Associate files, notes, alerts, calendar entries, emails, documents with your contacts or contact group. Chat using an open protocol. This is in stark contrast with the data silo approach we have going on now. - Project Based. Want to create a new app? Create a new project. All files associ…

I think the "hide the file browser" has had some pretty mixed results when attempted on mobile. File browsers and file extensions come in handy.

For example, the zip/archive workflow. Does it make sense for all archives to live under the zip app? Does it make sense to have to share files to and from a zip app in different bespoke app level UI? If its OS UI how is it really any different than a file browser?

Re: Re-Thinking the Desktop OS

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> Now mostly everything just works 'Mostly' is the key--and the problem. I've been using Elementary OS as a daily driver for at least a year, maybe two (and before that I used Mint for several years). For the most part (there's that pesky word again!), it works quite well. And it really is beautiful--aesthetically, I quite like it. But boy do I wish that bluetooth would work reliably. Since working at home full time,…

Use pulse audio volume control. See if it would help. Mine also broke after some system update. With this I was able to select bluetooth profile as well as set audio out via bluetooth. Before finding this bluetooth headset wouldnt work correctly on elementary os, but never needed it in linuxmint. apt install pavucontrol

you're missing his point. the issue is not the specific issue but the endless litany of issues.

Re: Re-Thinking the Desktop OS

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I think Desktop UI is great.

What I dislike instead is my Android phone's UI. It's 100% proprietary, meaning I have little influence over some decisions. E.g., if I don't want to be disturbed on my PC, I just quit all messenger apps. On Android, but only since very recently, there's a DnD mode. I don't use it because I don't understand what it is doing + it has been burried somewhere as OS-level app.

Then of course, there's this problem that on Android they want to hide files from you and that the whole experience is optimized to keep you on the screen.

And so on...

I don't like my mobile phone UI at all!

Re: Re-Thinking the Desktop OS

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Back in the early 2000s I had the idea for a desktop OS where the local apps were all just http servers, and every OS “window” just a “browser”.

My original idea involved a custom markup ui language akin to WPF because at the time HTML was not nearly as up to the task. HTML could probably handle it today.

Between Electron, WebOS and ChromeOS some of the ideas have been tried but not to as high of a degree.

Re: Re-Thinking the Desktop OS

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Would you mind using Linux? It's been my experience that it's done everything I wanted it to well. Linux on desktop has changed. I hated it too in the 2000s. Now mostly everything just works, KDE can look and feel like any desktop including OSX. Very reliable. You'll find a pirated version of XP running as you wish soon since the leak of the XP source code not GPL though.

> Now mostly everything just works 'Mostly' is the key--and the problem. I've been using Elementary OS as a daily driver for at least a year, maybe two (and before that I used Mint for several years). For the most part (there's that pesky word again!), it works quite well. And it really is beautiful--aesthetically, I quite like it. But boy do I wish that bluetooth would work reliably. Since working at home full time,…

If you want it to just work, stay away from those cutting edge distros stick to Linux' Windows: Ubuntu LTS.

Its boring, but like Windows, that's precisely why it works out of the box.

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