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YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by imhoguy »

ipiz0618 wrote: post #63
cam_l wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just like eating 'fads' lollies as a kid is not a slippery slope to drug addiction. Banning clear misinformation* is not a slippery slope to censorship. Just like drug addiction, each step along the path to censorship is a clear decisive act. I am way more concerned about the fast train to banning encryption than the baby step of banning misinformation. And by the way, let's also not lose sight of the fact that prese…

This is assuming that the YouTube management (or the software behind) is authoritative of what information is correct. In reality, YouTube has not just once banned stuff "by mistake" and will continue to do so.

And it is not even management who makes the final censoring decisions. Does being content moderator require degree in any related area, or is it just group of trained low wage hires to review user or AI flagged content and decide on ban/leave? Honestly I would like to try out such job shaddowing myself.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by brigandish »

anigbrowl wrote: post #67
anonymousiam wrote: post #2

This is the slippery slope of censorship on display for everyone to see. What panel of certified physicians is YouTube using to identify what information is correct vs. incorrect? I'm pretty sure they don't have any doctors doing this. The ban is a political act and not a scientific one.

Zzzz. Yeah that's a problem, but come back with a proposal about how to deal with the existing misinformation and bad faith problem.

More freedom of speech is the answer to misinformation because then it can be challenged. Censorship allows convenient mistruths to spread unchallenged.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by ed25519FUUU »

brigandish wrote: post #72
anigbrowl wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zzzz. Yeah that's a problem, but come back with a proposal about how to deal with the existing misinformation and bad faith problem.

More freedom of speech is the answer to misinformation because then it can be challenged. Censorship allows convenient mistruths to spread unchallenged.

That’s what it does at its best. At its worst it’s a tool to allow oppressive governments to conceal the truth and further their grip on power.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by pzmTWLwfwJ »

anonymousiam wrote: post #2

This is the slippery slope of censorship on display for everyone to see. What panel of certified physicians is YouTube using to identify what information is correct vs. incorrect? I'm pretty sure they don't have any doctors doing this. The ban is a political act and not a scientific one.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

If these platforms don't do anything then everyone talks about how misinformation is rampant on these platforms, how dangerous it is and that nothings being done about it. If they do, then everyone's worried about censorship or blamed to be politically motivated.

There could be simple legislation that defines what is and what isn't to be censored, then these platforms can adhere to that and check a compliance box and leave it at that.

Perhaps a better response would be, what do you think these platforms should do, really? Maybe we can crowdsource a good idea. And, while at it, also think how to thread the needle of keeping these platforms as less scammy etc. as possible, so that the people won't stop using the platforms.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by slowmotiony »

gruez wrote: post #26
garbagetime wrote: post #24

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Science doesn't work by consensus, anyway.

It doesn't, but practically speaking for the average joe, what better option is there?

How about let me read what I want and mind your own business? What makes you think you're smarter than the average joe and in position to dictate anything to him at all?

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by ed25519FUUU »

throwaway69123 wrote: post #16
Polylactic_acid wrote: post #11

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Something has to be done. Obvious bullshit is fooling huge chunks of the population and causing huge damage. We have always selected acceptable content and it has usually been a positive. Schools have always picked which info to teach and what to not and that's largely a positive thing.

I will take short term damage over long term tyranny

A Samuel Adams quote posted by Naval today on twitter I’ve been thinking about:

> If you love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

Feeling hungry for change, what will our generation trade in exchange for our inheritance?

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by tshaddox »

pzmTWLwfwJ wrote: post #75
anonymousiam wrote: post #2

This is the slippery slope of censorship on display for everyone to see. What panel of certified physicians is YouTube using to identify what information is correct vs. incorrect? I'm pretty sure they don't have any doctors doing this. The ban is a political act and not a scientific one.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. If these platforms don't do anything then everyone talks about how misinformation is rampant on these platforms, how dangerous it is and that nothings being done about it. If they do, then everyone's worried about censorship or blamed to be politically motivated. There could be simple legislation that defines what is and what isn't to be censored, then these platforms can adhere…

I don’t think it’s this simple, because the “don’t do anything” case is actually “use engagement-maximizing algorithms to actively spread misinformation as fast as possible.”

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by tshaddox »

anigbrowl wrote: post #67
anonymousiam wrote: post #2

This is the slippery slope of censorship on display for everyone to see. What panel of certified physicians is YouTube using to identify what information is correct vs. incorrect? I'm pretty sure they don't have any doctors doing this. The ban is a political act and not a scientific one.

Zzzz. Yeah that's a problem, but come back with a proposal about how to deal with the existing misinformation and bad faith problem.

Getting rid of the algorithms that actively distribute certain types of misinformation as widely as possible would probably mostly solve the issue while maintaining the broadest definition of “free speech.”

But since that’s their entire business model, it’s unlikely to happen.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by tshaddox »

ipiz0618 wrote: post #63
cam_l wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just like eating 'fads' lollies as a kid is not a slippery slope to drug addiction. Banning clear misinformation* is not a slippery slope to censorship. Just like drug addiction, each step along the path to censorship is a clear decisive act. I am way more concerned about the fast train to banning encryption than the baby step of banning misinformation. And by the way, let's also not lose sight of the fact that prese…

This is assuming that the YouTube management (or the software behind) is authoritative of what information is correct. In reality, YouTube has not just once banned stuff "by mistake" and will continue to do so.

If you oppose all human processes in which it is possible to make a mistake, then you oppose all human processes.
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