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Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by deanCommie » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 3:52 AM UTC

alehul wrote: post #461

sfkdjf9j3j wrote: post #393

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Buzzfeed was previously famous for apolitical clickbait articles and quizzes, they practically invented the genre. New York Post, meanwhile, has been a tabloid-level spreader of pro-conservative and anti-progressive misinformation. It's smart to be skeptical of obviously politically motivated reporting from any outlet, but especially so when one has such a concerning track record.

Buzzfeed has been deemed left, which is a category beyond left-leaning, by an objective fact-checker [1]. As one example of why: > In June 2016, the left-leaning media watchdog Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting found that in 100 BuzzFeed stories about Barack Obama, 65 were positive, 34 were neutral, and one was critical. [1] https://www.allsides.com/news-source/buzzfeed-media-bias

In 2010, left-leaning media agencies would post left-friendly news and not post right-friendly news. And right-leaning media agencies would post right-friendly news and not post left-friendly news.

In 2020, left-leaning media posts left-friendly news, and doesn't post right-friendly news. And right-leaning media posts right-friendly news AND STRAIGHT UP FALSEHOODS AND LIES DENYING RIGHT-UNFRIENDLY-NEWS, OR LIGHT-FRIENDLY NEWS.

It's not equivalent.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by travmatt » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 3:52 AM UTC

stale2002 wrote: post #634

travmatt wrote: post #450

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Democrats haven’t been raising 230 regulation though, that’s been republicans disgruntled that their ads had been fact-checked (by partisan conservatives, it turns out). The proposed regulations coming out of the house have been more about competition and anti-monopoly. It’s hard to see this as anything more than an attempt to change their bet on a losing horse in this race, as the commenter you replied to pointed ou…

> Democrats haven’t been raising 230 regulation though They may not be raising specifically 230 concerns. But democrats are absolutely bringing up anti-trust concerns regarding major tech company. Arguably, anti-trust breakup of major tech companies would be much more destructive to those tech companies, than merely removing some tech companies ability to moderate content.

> They may not be raising specifically 230 concerns. But democrats are absolutely bringing up anti-trust concerns regarding major tech company.

My comment that you replied to says that democrats in the house have been bringing up anti-trust concerns. Anti-trust and 230 regulation are two separate things done for different reasons. They are not equivalent actions nor do are they being pursued out of the same concerns. Trying to conflate them is wrong.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by blisseyGo » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 3:52 AM UTC

moneybadger wrote: post #574

pensatoio wrote: post #459

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I see ridiculous (even virulent) hot takes blasted out by overwhelmingly left-leaning major media orgs with near zero consequences on twitter and facebook. Half the time, this stuff proves to be incomplete - borderline maliciously so - or even factually incorrect, within days. I'm still hearing daily from people who think Breonna Taylor was shot in her sleep. Regardless of how you lean politically, this behavior shou…

Except the Washington Post isn't releasing possibly faked or hacked emails about Breonna Taylor being shot in her sleep three weeks before an election in a blatant attempt to manufacture an October Surprise. Don't try and create false equivalency here.

> possibly faked or hacked emails

What gives you the impression that this is the case? Hunter Biden's receipts from the computer repair shop are public for this too. I think bias might be clouding your judgement.

EDIT: Because HN isn't even allowing me to reply to the comment by user heartbreak, I will just edit this here:

He was NOT impeached for bribing Ukraine into fabricating exactly this sort of story. He was impeached because the democrats didn't want Biden's crimes exposed. “When exposing a crime is treated as committing a crime you’re being ruled by criminals” - Edward Snowden

The emails came from Hunter Biden’s laptop that he dropped off to get fixed. He never came back to get it therefore it became property of the shop. They spent money fixing it, waited for him to pick it up, he didn’t so by the terms of the agreement the shop owned it. All Hunter had to do is pay $85 and pick up his laptop. The NYT published illegally obtained tax returns of Trump. Why weren’t they censored?

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by remarkEon » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 3:52 AM UTC

sdenton4 wrote: post #642

remarkEon wrote: post #631

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They did well in the House, but lost seats in the Senate. Midterm elections are an imperfect signal, like you're suggesting, but it's not true that the democrats won a landslide or something in 2018.

The Senate map for a given year can tilt towards one party or another; 2018 was a structurally bad year for the Senate Dems. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/democrats-horrible-2018...

Right, this is a good data point in favor of the argument that it's unwise to extrapolate too much from midterm races for the general.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by ryanmarsh » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 3:54 AM UTC

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #455

To be honest it sounds like a regular end of the election craziness. To all those people, who think this is somehow special and deserves special new set of rules, I can only point to 2016 ( Comey saga that also included Guliani ). It is not special. It is not new. It is still speech. It may be lies ( and I am sure we will find out soon enough ) and I get that a lot of people can be influenced. I get it. And it still…

This whole begging for a Ministry of Truth has me wondering... do the kids still read 1984 in school?

Maybe I’m old. What are the kids reading in High School English? Marx?

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by blisseyGo » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 3:55 AM UTC

petee wrote: post #515

bufferoverflow wrote: post #425

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Spot-on. When NPR got caught posting fake news recently, absolutely nothing happened to them. When CNN does it, nothing happens to them. The game is rigged.

References please. Unless its the NY Post, then don't bother.

I know this will get attacked for the source but this summarizes it well. There's numerous other examples too:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/npr-busted-framing-self-...

The whole "russian bounty" was completely false too. The Steele dossier was also completely fabricated and yet pushed.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by blisseyGo » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 3:55 AM UTC

Balgair wrote: post #498

bufferoverflow wrote: post #425

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Spot-on. When NPR got caught posting fake news recently, absolutely nothing happened to them. When CNN does it, nothing happens to them. The game is rigged.

NPR was posting fake news?

I know this will get attacked for the source but this summarizes it well. There's numerous other examples too:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/npr-busted-framing-self-...

The whole "russian bounty" was completely false too.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by felipemnoa » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 3:55 AM UTC

Karunamon wrote: post #451

jeremyjh wrote: post #436

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I agree they blundered here. They don't want to be hijacked by another "leaks" story days before the election but now the suppression of this has become the entire story, and its convinced a lot of people the story is true and dangerous to Biden. Even if the email is true I don't see how its dangerous and if the only media carrying the story are the NY Post and Fox it doesn't hurt Biden.

That's an angle I hadn't even considered, but I'm surprised Twitter didn't. SV social media companies, of all the organizations in the world , should understand the implications of a Streisanding. If they had just left it alone, maybe attached the standard "this might be false" disclaimer, it would likely have passed as yet another partisan thing , but now they've gone and infused it with a bunch of power it didn't h…

>>but now they've gone and infused it with a bunch of power it didn't have prior.

I don't know. I think the people that are going to believe these kinds of stories at face value would have found this story on their own regardless. It is not like the NY Post is some obscure paper. It may make this story stronger with those that are already inclined to believe this stuff.

I think by this time people have already made their decision on whom they are going to vote and they will use any story that agrees with their decision as proof that they are right.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by deanCommie » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 3:56 AM UTC

bufferoverflow wrote: post #425

Tycho wrote: post #361

Crux of the issue is that everyone knows there’s a double standard. Why do they co-ordinate to block this story and not the countless other “unverified” scoops? Because it threatens a protected politician.

Spot-on. When NPR got caught posting fake news recently, absolutely nothing happened to them. When CNN does it, nothing happens to them. The game is rigged.

What are you on?

The right wing media has been manufacturing bullshit for 4 years, and allowing the President to gaslight the public that it's the left wing that is fake news, and somehow in the last 6 months hackernews started to eat the bullshit?

Witchhunt stories about Child Pornography Pizza Parlors is fake news. Stories that are inconvenient to the Republican leadership is not fake news.

I can't tell what is going on with this Hunter Biden story because the NY Post abandoned all journalistic credibility since it's been owned by Rupert Murdoch, so maybe there's something there.

But other than this story, the right wing media has been allowed to spread and perpetuate aggressively dangerous misinformation for YEARS on these platforms without repercussions.

Before you downvote me, read https://www.thedailybeast.com/man-who-reportedly-gave-hunter... and tell me if this story of conservatives finally getting SOME resistance to the spread of lies and bullshit should incite any sympathy from any logically-minded person on HN.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by icameron » Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 3:56 AM UTC

dsaavy wrote: post #285

dsaavy wrote: post #268

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Absolutely this can be trivially verified and needs to be. Release the emails if they're real so they can be verified. But also, isn't it the same thing with Trump's tax returns? All I've found so far is that the New York Times obtained copies, but they haven't actually released them to the public to be verified. If anyone can find the actual copies I'd like to see. We need to take all of the press releases about "le…

One thing that can be verified (as at least a unique release) after looking into the NY Post article more are the pictures they released. When I reverse image search them on Google and tineye, there are no other matches. This doesn't mean that they are necessarily real (they'd have to be verified as not being fakes), but they are certainly newly released. A couple searches: https://tineye.com/search/85ed99ec3e5397597…

The political machine is more sophisticated than using a public image. If anything it looks like an iCloud hack. Last week was a top HN article about finding an XSS vulnerability in iCloud. Not unreasonable to assume Biden’s crackhead sons iCloud was owned by operatives. Especially since the subject is a main topic of Trumps impeachment.