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Re: Re-Thinking the Desktop OS

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Something1234 wrote: post #12
ggm wrote: post #4

If you can show me the invested COW cost of electron is low enough I can live in electron apps. If Microsoft re-works W10+ to be a thin shim over the kernel and Office works on Linux clean-port, not webapp, I'll be fine too. Mostly what people want is the plan9 plumber: the ability to point and select things, and have s/w contextually work out how to DTRT with it. This is ORM. Corba. whatever. Patents suck. If you de…

Can you define what some of your acronyms mean? COW, DTRT, ORM. I think I know what an ORM (Object Relational Mapper) is, but not in the context you're using it.

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Re: Re-Thinking the Desktop OS

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Post by remexre »

Something1234 wrote: post #12
ggm wrote: post #4

If you can show me the invested COW cost of electron is low enough I can live in electron apps. If Microsoft re-works W10+ to be a thin shim over the kernel and Office works on Linux clean-port, not webapp, I'll be fine too. Mostly what people want is the plan9 plumber: the ability to point and select things, and have s/w contextually work out how to DTRT with it. This is ORM. Corba. whatever. Patents suck. If you de…

Can you define what some of your acronyms mean? COW, DTRT, ORM. I think I know what an ORM (Object Relational Mapper) is, but not in the context you're using it.

DTRT = do the right thing

idk the others

Re: Re-Thinking the Desktop OS

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

_where wrote: post #8

I want old pre-AppStore OSX/macOS that doesn’t nanny my installs or screw old drivers, with a good package manager, and easily tabbed and gridded terminal windows without tmux necessarily. I’d also like GPL’d Windows XP running flawlessly like a mac. I’d use Linux on the desktop, but I’ve never liked any of the desktop managers and it was never as reliable as OSX/macOS.

You've tried every desktop manager for Linux and spent enough time with them to be sure you didn't like them? Very impressive.

Not sure what your reliability metrics are, but I've run Linux and macOS desktops side by side for years now (decades, even), and I don't really detect much of a difference. The macOS ones do tend to have the benefit of a rigid hardware platform, which is why I suppose they do a bit less well when forced to run on an arbitrary platform (e.g. inside KVM).

Re: Re-Thinking the Desktop OS

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Post by pvg »

tosh wrote: post #2

a few years ago everything that mattered was on the local machine (apps + files) and there was some interoperability among apps (+ standards around files) now most of what matters is siloed in saas tools and we access those through browsers or siloed browsers time to re-design https://twitter.com/__tosh/status/1316534733719908352

You posted someone's pretty generic tweet to HN and then your HN comment is the tweet with which you replied to the original tweet. It seems kind of weird to loop HN into a twitter conversation given there's already, I dunno, twitter.

Re: Re-Thinking the Desktop OS

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

tosh wrote: post #2

a few years ago everything that mattered was on the local machine (apps + files) and there was some interoperability among apps (+ standards around files) now most of what matters is siloed in saas tools and we access those through browsers or siloed browsers time to re-design https://twitter.com/__tosh/status/1316534733719908352

what in god's name are you talking about?

Photo management? Image editing? Video editing? DAWs? Games? The browser itself? Compilers... static analysis tools ... a myriad of other native developer tools ?

I could go on, but what on earth is the "everything" that no longer matters? If you had said "everyone's gone to mobile", well, that's a claim. But "everyone's gone to saas and browsers" ... that's not even wrong.

Re: Re-Thinking the Desktop OS

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Post by taeric »

I want less in the "lets make the desktop good" vein, and more in the "lets stop making the desktop crap" vein.

Things that seem to be making things worse, ironically, are all things that ostensibly are there to make them better. Web technologies, I'm mainly looking at you.

Re: Re-Thinking the Desktop OS

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Post by beervirus »

ggm wrote: post #4

If you can show me the invested COW cost of electron is low enough I can live in electron apps. If Microsoft re-works W10+ to be a thin shim over the kernel and Office works on Linux clean-port, not webapp, I'll be fine too. Mostly what people want is the plan9 plumber: the ability to point and select things, and have s/w contextually work out how to DTRT with it. This is ORM. Corba. whatever. Patents suck. If you de…

If you depend on copying other people's innovative methods, is that not also evil?
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