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Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by joshuamorton »

anonymousiam wrote: post #46
ojnabieoot wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, first of all: it is 100% true that getting infected with COVID-19 does not provide immunity. There have been two cases identified of people who got reinfected after a full recovery https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/08/another-covid-19-rei... Second of all, this is not how vaccines work. Recovery from an illness does not mean that your immune system was maximally effective: a weak immune response coupled with…

The reinfections were likely from a genetically different strain. So was Trump more right or more wrong with his simplified message? I would say that if he tested negative, he would be unable to transmit infection so that part would be true. I would say that he could not be infected (with the same strain) so that would be also true. I don't believe any sensible person believes that they become immune to all strains a…

> I would say that if he tested negative, he would be unable to transmit infection so that part would be true.

This has not, to my knowledge, happened yet.

> I don't believe any sensible person believes that they become immune to all strains after recovering from one, and I do not believe that Trump was saying this. Do you?

I certainly do believe that the message trump intends to convey is that he is immune to the coronavirus and can no longer be re-infected period.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by AmericanChopper »

gruez wrote: post #26
garbagetime wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Science doesn't work by consensus, anyway.

It doesn't, but practically speaking for the average joe, what better option is there?

Perhaps to remember that every average Joe is equipped with their own brain and ability to think for themselves.

The role of science is to study topics empirically. It is not to establish sacred truths that need to be protected from scrutiny.

A few years ago if you said the big tech firms were each working on establishing their own ministry of truth, most people would have told you to take your tinfoil hat off. But this is exactly what we are seeing now. Independent thought is not a problem that needs to be solved. The only reason we are in this situation to begin with is because these institutions have done so much to tarnish their own credibility, that they now think the best solution is to limit people’s ability to think for themselves. It’s horribly dystopic.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by gymknight »

anonymousiam wrote: post #2

This is the slippery slope of censorship on display for everyone to see. What panel of certified physicians is YouTube using to identify what information is correct vs. incorrect? I'm pretty sure they don't have any doctors doing this. The ban is a political act and not a scientific one.

> What panel of certified physicians is YouTube using to identify what information is correct vs. incorrect?

According to the article youtube's policy team meets with the WHO weekly to discuss potentially problematic videos.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by arminiusreturns »

You know, I'm sort of thankful for the increase in private/public company censorship, because they are doing it so poorly and with such bad timing that I think it's starting to create a kickback effect where more people are waking up to the issues... so I am hoping it causes a pendulum swing back the other direction. (though that's hope, I'm not sure how likely it is).

It's interesting to see how servile so many hn'ers are about censorship though.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by andybak »

kaliali wrote: post #48
lopmotr wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obvious bullshit isn't a problem unless you consider all the world's religions a problem. But if you do, then that's by far the biggest and most serious problem and YouTube really must stamp it with priority over the piddly flash-in-the-pan crackpot science and conspiracy theories.

If the stupid public can't educate themselves then let Survival of the Fittest take over.

Turns out the fittest isn't you or me but usually a gang of murderous thugs.

You're not going to like the future you just wished for.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by narshian »

anonymousiam wrote: post #2

This is the slippery slope of censorship on display for everyone to see. What panel of certified physicians is YouTube using to identify what information is correct vs. incorrect? I'm pretty sure they don't have any doctors doing this. The ban is a political act and not a scientific one.

Um no, it’s a public welfare act.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by knaq »

ojnabieoot wrote: post #38
anonymousiam wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"COVID-19 recovery definitely does not provide immunity to reinfection." If the above is true, then there is no hope for a vaccine.

Okay, first of all: it is 100% true that getting infected with COVID-19 does not provide immunity. There have been two cases identified of people who got reinfected after a full recovery https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/08/another-covid-19-rei... Second of all, this is not how vaccines work. Recovery from an illness does not mean that your immune system was maximally effective: a weak immune response coupled with…

That is not a reasonable way to evaluate the situation. Sure, some people have broken immune systems, and there can be a new and different virus that evolves from the old one but doesn't earn a distinct name. That doesn't count.

He is immune. Similarly, we say that cars can cross the Golden Gate Bridge, despite the fact that the bridge could be destroyed (by bombing for example) or that one could call the NASA crawler-transporter a "car" that is 90 feet wide. Absurd, exotic, and rare possibilities don't change the basic truth.

Vaccines do work like getting the illness, or less so. The illness is nearly certain to provide long-term immunity, but a vaccine is not quite so likely. Those who can't generate immunity will survive the vaccine but not the illness.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by panny »

ojnabieoot wrote: post #27
knaq wrote: post #8

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This is getting way out of hand, across all social media. The president's medical report got banned, probably because it was good news. It was dry, factual, scientific... and now banned as coronavirus misinformation. Evidently his health is disputed by our social media overlords. They must know more than the doctor. Today it was a ban on posting links to the stuff leaked off Hunter Biden's hard drive. It confirms tha…

> The president's medical report got banned, probably because it was good news. It was dry, factual, scientific. Which services banned Trump's recent medical report? I would have assumed "Twitter blocks Trump medical record release" had been in the news and cannot find a single story about it. There was this tweet from Trump (not his doctor) that got flagged as containing COVID-19 misinformation, but was not deleted[…

>Which services banned Trump's recent medical report? I would have assumed "Twitter blocks Trump medical record release" had been in the news and cannot find a single story about it.

Because that's not how censorship works. You don't block it and then draw attention to the thing you blocked. That would be counter productive. Here, have a look at this,

https://imgur.com/H26C0dS

Now look at

https://twitter.com/thelastrefuge2

and all you can see is a retweet of

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1315101764958539777

Twitter also regularly bans and blocks things temporarily while they're trending to stop the spread. Once attention has moved to another issue, they sometimes lift the restrictions. In effect, deleting their censorship actions.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by ojnabieoot »

joshuamorton wrote: post #49
ojnabieoot wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, first of all: it is 100% true that getting infected with COVID-19 does not provide immunity. There have been two cases identified of people who got reinfected after a full recovery https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/08/another-covid-19-rei... Second of all, this is not how vaccines work. Recovery from an illness does not mean that your immune system was maximally effective: a weak immune response coupled with…

This isn't a particularly great argument (and is scientifically dubious). There are different strains of flus, colds, and recently, a few different strains of coronavirus. You can't generally be reinfected by the same strain. What can happen is that new strains can infect you. There are tons of cold strains around, and the flu mutates quickly enough that each year we get a new one, so vaccines have to be redeveloped…

> You can't generally be reinfected by the same strain.

Unless the word "generally" is doing a lot of work in this sentence - YES YOU CAN be reinfected by the same strain. It's called "homologous reinfection": the person's natural immune response is not always up to the task of actually providing immunity to a specific viral strain, and that exact same viral strain can reinfect the patient even immediately after recovery.

This idea that the human immune response is always 100% effective (assuming the patient survives) is frankly a bizarre misconception: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3863957/

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus vaccine misinformation

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Post by Shish2k »

s3r3nity wrote: post #4
anonymousiam wrote: post #2

This is the slippery slope of censorship on display for everyone to see. What panel of certified physicians is YouTube using to identify what information is correct vs. incorrect? I'm pretty sure they don't have any doctors doing this. The ban is a political act and not a scientific one.

Agree on this one - authoritative bodies can be wrong / misled as well, and shouldn't be the only arbiters of truth. Ex: The WHO made many mistakes during COVID, including faulty recommendations and (alleged) influence by a governing body to limit bad press. [1] (Before the ad hominem attacks come in, I'm obviously very pro vaccine...but against censorship and generally distrust authoritative bodies of most kinds.) […

> authoritative bodies can be wrong / misled as well, and shouldn't be the only arbiters of truth

I agree, but with a very large caveat - the human brain is not good at probabilities, it basically only recognises “outcome A is guaranteed” and “outcomes A and B are equally likely”. So how much credit should we give to an authority who is correct 90% of the time?

90% isn’t great when it comes to life-or-death matters, so it’s dangerous to recommend “always trust them”. But recommending “don’t always trust them” results in people thinking that the authorites and the crackpots are 50/50 correct, which results in even more people dying :(

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