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Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by jariel »

hirundo wrote: post #54

There's a recurring argument on social media censorship that goes: "you wouldn't want the telephone company censoring phone conversations would you?" And the response is along the lines: "these are hardly private conversations, any tweet can go viral and be seen by millions". This story breaks that mold in that it involves social media censoring private conversations via DM. If you think that's OK for Twitter on its…

Twitter is a social media platform that engages in content management - they have always been moderating content, since day 1, managing identities etc..

AT&T is not in the business of content.

That's a very material distinction.

That says nothing about how/who/what Twitter should or should not be doing in this case, other than to say the moment you dip your toe into content management, it's going to get very complicated, as we now see on a daily basis in the news.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by squidlogic »

youthbrigade wrote: post #251
dx87 wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the VP debate Kamala Harris repeated the lie that Trump called covid a hoax. Niether party has a monopoly on lying to their base.

He said it at a rally on February 28th. Source: Video on c-span https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4865556/user-clip-trump-this-...

Text from the transcript (it's all caps on the site):

PRES. TRUMP: THEY HAVE SPENT THE LAST THREE YEARS, AND I CAN EVEN GO FURTHER THAN THAT THREE YEARS SINCE THE ELECTION BUT WE GO BEFORE THE ELECTION, WORKING TO ERASE YOUR BALLOTS AND OVERTHROW OUR DEMOCRACY. BUT WITH YOUR HELP WE HAVE EXPOSE THE FAR-LEFT'S CORRUPTION AND DEFEATED THEIR SINISTER SCHEMES. LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE COMING MONTHS. LET'S WATCH. LET'S JSUT -- JUST WATCH. VERY DISHONEST PEOPLE. NOW THE DEMOCRATS ARE POLITICIZING THE CORONAVIRUS. CORONAVIRUS. THEY ARE POLITICIZING IT. WE DID ONE OF THE GREAT JOBS -- HOW'S PRESIDENT TRUMP DOING? THEY GO, NOT GOOD. THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY CLUE. THEY CANNOT EVEN COUNT THE VOTES IN IOWA. NO, THEY CAN'T. THEY CAN'T COUNT THEIR VOTES. ONE OF MY PEOPLE CAME UP TO ME AND SAID, MR. PRESIDENT, THEY TRIED TO BEAT YOU ON RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIAN. THAT DID NOT WORK OUT TOO WELL. THEY COULD NOT DO IT. THEY TRIED THE IMPEACHMENT HOAX. THAT WAS ON A PERFECT CONVERSATION. THEY TRIED ANYTHING. THEY TRIED IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THEY LOST. IT IS ALL TURNING. THINK OF IT. AND THIS IS THEIR NEW HOAX. WE DID SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN PRETTY AMAZING. WE HAVE 15 PEOPLE IN THIS MASSIVE COUNTRY AND BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE WENT EARLY, WE COULD'VE HAD A LOT MORE THAN THAT. WE'RE DOING GREAT. OUR COUNTRY IS DOING SO GREAT. WE ARE SO UNIFIED. WE ARE SO UNIFIED. THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS NEVER EVER BEEN UNIFIED LIKE IT IS NOW. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A MOVEMENT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY LIKE WE HAVE NOW. NEVER BEEN

I'm struck by how this is almost a perfect example of the rorschach test that is Trump.

You could easily read this as saying that [COVID] is a hoax.

You could just as easily read this as saying that [the democrats saying he is doing a bad job with COVID] is a hoax.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by lettergram »

Reminds me of why I wrote this chrome extension a few years back (uses Keybase for now):

https://lettergram.github.io/AnyCrypt/

Basically, you can encrypt a message over any medium (facebook, twitter, email, etc.). Wasn't super secure by any means, but the media companies wouldn't know what's being shared.

Honestly, I might rework it (not utilizing keybase). I think I can make it decentralized and / or super easy to use. It's already pretty much plug-and-play provided you know the recipients email.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by easterncalculus »

nemothekid wrote: post #301
Covzire wrote: post #100

Let's be honest, the only people screaming for censorship are firmly on the left. Controlling "disinformation" is a dog whistle for censorship, hoping that average citizens don't realize what they're really after. We all know who is going to be the moderators in flagging "disinformation" and we all know which ideology they overwhelmingly favor. I'd sooner trust a pyromaniac as fire chief of my local county than I wou…

disinformation is a dog whistle for censorship, but fake news is...? Censorship for thee but not for me.

"Fake news" is a call to criticism. The amount of people bringing up "fake news" and calling for say, CNN, to not be able to report at all is minimal. Comparatively you can't have a conversation about "disinformation" without talking about social media companies' responsibility to delete or hide content.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by tedunangst »

option wrote: post #323
hirundo wrote: post #54

There's a recurring argument on social media censorship that goes: "you wouldn't want the telephone company censoring phone conversations would you?" And the response is along the lines: "these are hardly private conversations, any tweet can go viral and be seen by millions". This story breaks that mold in that it involves social media censoring private conversations via DM. If you think that's OK for Twitter on its…

exactly - most miss the point that biggest news here is Twitter censoring direct messages.

I know I definitely missed that part of the article.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by nemothekid »

easterncalculus wrote: post #344
nemothekid wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

disinformation is a dog whistle for censorship, but fake news is...? Censorship for thee but not for me.

"Fake news" is a call to criticism. The amount of people bringing up "fake news" and calling for say, CNN, to not be able to report at all is minimal. Comparatively you can't have a conversation about "disinformation" without talking about social media companies' responsibility to delete or hide content.

Ah ok, when Trump says a negative article about him is "fake news" it's criticism, but when "disinformation" comes out about Biden it's a call for censorship?

Am I insane for seeing the dissonance here?

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by nemothekid »

ColanR wrote: post #328
nemothekid wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

disinformation is a dog whistle for censorship, but fake news is...? Censorship for thee but not for me.

IIRC, fake news was originally used by the left, but co-opted by Trump.

It doesn't matter, the claim "Let's be honest, the only people screaming for censorship are firmly on the left." is demonstrably false.

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Post by austhrow743 »

ars wrote: post #217
bigbubba wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they had to give me five dollars for every spam call that got through, I bet they'd find a way to stop it. T-mobile already classifies these calls as 'Scam likely' and they've never seemed to misclassify any, so obviously it can be done.

> and they've never seemed to misclassify any They do, my local politician robo-calls all his constituents with info, and T-Mobile always flags his calls as spam. I guess in a way it's spam since it's unsolicited? But it's real info, and relevant to the local people he's calling, and keeping people informed is part of his job.

Keeping people informed about their product is a way to describe the job of every spammer.

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Post by plorkyeran »

ars wrote: post #217
bigbubba wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they had to give me five dollars for every spam call that got through, I bet they'd find a way to stop it. T-mobile already classifies these calls as 'Scam likely' and they've never seemed to misclassify any, so obviously it can be done.

> and they've never seemed to misclassify any They do, my local politician robo-calls all his constituents with info, and T-Mobile always flags his calls as spam. I guess in a way it's spam since it's unsolicited? But it's real info, and relevant to the local people he's calling, and keeping people informed is part of his job.

Unless it's something they specifically signed up for, robo-calling all your constituents absolutely is spam.
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