The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

Post by senkora » Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 8:54 PM UTC

mtm7 wrote: post #170

jacurtis wrote: post #122

Let's also not forget that Apple also removed a $20-30 accessory from the box under the guise of saving the planet. Then not only decided to not pass that savings onto the customer, but actually secretively raised the price $30. I am not suggesting that removing the power brick doesn't have any impact on the environment. What I am suggesting is that I don't buy for a second that it was the primary motivator for remov…

It's going to be incredibly frustrating for the average person to buy an almost-$1000 device, use it until it runs out of battery, and realize that a charger is a completely separate purchase. Especially because the included cable is USB-C, so it won't work with most old power bricks. I feel like Steve wouldn't've let this happen... the UX is just so, so bad. It feels incredibly profit-motivated.

Post by gnicholas » Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 8:56 PM UTC

chrisseaton wrote: post #238

gnicholas wrote: post #236

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This is the key fact. It demonstrates that they're not interested in passing along cost savings, even where they clearly exist. This isn't just about new phones, it affects the SE as well.

Did the cost to manufacture the SE stay the same?

Post by jandrese » Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 8:57 PM UTC

coredog64 wrote: post #171

jandrese wrote: post #111

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No, but powerful slaveholding interests were a major factor in the design of our government. It's the reasons our voting system favors low-population states--because slaves only counted as 3/5 of a person and the slaveholders were worried this would mean less representation in government and the danger that owning slaves would be outlawed.

The 3/5ths compromise was about giving less representation to slaveholder states, and was not a moral judgment on the value of slaves. Slaveholder states would have been perfectly happy for representation to be 1:1 for slaves vs. non-slaves.

Post by ghaff » Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 8:58 PM UTC

jen729w wrote: post #247

mtm7 wrote: post #234

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I'm saying that they're expecting their phone to come with a charger.

Actually I’m annoyed now when a device comes with a charger. To the point where I say out loud, to myself, “oh for fu...”. Nobody needs any more chargers, and if you do, they’re a fiver. It’s a preposterous waste that needs to stop. ( Totally separate from the issue of whether Apple is making money on this, which they undoubtedly are.)

Post by notJim » Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 9:01 PM UTC

ghaff wrote: post #257

jen729w wrote: post #247

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Actually I’m annoyed now when a device comes with a charger. To the point where I say out loud, to myself, “oh for fu...”. Nobody needs any more chargers, and if you do, they’re a fiver. It’s a preposterous waste that needs to stop. ( Totally separate from the issue of whether Apple is making money on this, which they undoubtedly are.)

The main thing that seems a bit odd to me is that they're including a cable but not the charger. Now, to be sure, there's an argument that they're providing something that goes between a proprietary connector and an industry-standard one (that Apple will increasingly use over time). But that industry-standard is still relatively new and therefore it's the "wrong" cable for a lot of people.