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Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by saagarjha »

mgolawala wrote: post #186
saagarjha wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then they should have dropped the price of the phone, no? At least, they should have bundled it in some way, considering that very few people probably have a USB-C brick designed for charging iPhones.

Why should they have dropped the price on the phone? They are clearly stating what does and does not come in the box at the price. They clearly state the price. You either think what comes is worth it in the box or you don’t. They could exclude the power adapter while simultaneously increasing the price by $200 per unit. If people do not like it, they won’t buy it. I don’t understand why there is this expectation tha…

Because this is something they have done for many years and now they are claiming they're doing it for the environment when that is clearly not the full story. Arguments that bad decisions only show up in sales numbers are meaningless because consumer decisions do not occur in a vacuum, so pointing to sales numbers and trying to reverse engineer whether "this was a bad decision" doesn't work.

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Post by kube-system »

epanchin wrote: post #158
stetrain wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"decided to not pass that savings onto the customer" Do you have access to the BOM? Sure it was likely a cost-savings measure, but it may have been to combat rising prices elsewhere. It's a two-sided equation and we can't see the whole thing. If Apple did want to be environmentally friendly though I would think offering a reasonably priced multi-device (4-ports?) charger would be more effective than just selling a si…

If they wanted to be enviroment they would have switched to USB-C. I'm personally happy about the lack of charger, all my Apple ones go into a drawer never to be seen again.

I doubt that USB-C would be more environmentally friendly. I am fairly sure that the vast majority of people buying new Apple phones today are people that currently have Apple phones. Lots of Apple's customer base have been iPhone loyalists for longer than USB-C has been commonplace.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by michaelt »

chrisseaton wrote: post #177
kevinpet wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have an old SE. I'm considering upgrading to the new SE. The SE (which has already been out for months at $399) used to come with earpods and now doesn't, at the same price.

> I have an old SE... So... you've already got compatible earpods? What's the problem?

> So... you've already got compatible earpods?

The old SE had a headphone jack, so no.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by gpm »

kube-system wrote: post #182
gpm wrote: post #103

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Ok, I have $699 in a US bank account. Tell me how to exchange $699 for an iPhone 12 Mini? My understanding from the article is I cannot, I would have to exchange $729 (with Apple), or something along the lines of $30 with one of those carriers and $699 with Apple for a total of approximately $729...

This is not true according to Apple's own website. They say the discount is instantly applied, and that the full price you'd pay is $699. > $699.00 > Includes $30 AT&T instant discount > One-time payment

And... I can go through the checkout process without giving "extra" money to AT&T and get a function Iphone 12 mini?

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by easde »

strictnein wrote: post #176
mensetmanusman wrote: post #57

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I think netflix users might notice. If they can push ‘download local’ and it takes 1 second to do so, that might be an interesting thing :) Also, 1 GB games that take 1 second to update will be nice.

1 GB = 80 Gb. No one will be getting 80Gbps 5G speeds.

1 GB = 8 Gb, not 80 Gb

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by oflannabhra »

tqkxzugoaupvwqr wrote: post #198
jacurtis wrote: post #122

Let's also not forget that Apple also removed a $20-30 accessory from the box under the guise of saving the planet. Then not only decided to not pass that savings onto the customer, but actually secretively raised the price $30. I am not suggesting that removing the power brick doesn't have any impact on the environment. What I am suggesting is that I don't buy for a second that it was the primary motivator for remov…

Removing the charger under the guise of helping the environment was disingenuous by Apple. They said they shipped a billion chargers so they’ll just include the cable from now on. Well, the cable is Lightning-to-USB-C, not USB-A. Apple shipped nearly zero USB-C chargers and many people getting an iPhone will have to buy one. In the end, Apple removed the charger but didn’t lower the price, and people still have to bu…

True, but there's nothing from preventing you from using your old phones USB-A to lightning cord and brick to charge your new phone. That is what I plan on doing.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by GVIrish »

mtm7 wrote: post #170
jacurtis wrote: post #122

Let's also not forget that Apple also removed a $20-30 accessory from the box under the guise of saving the planet. Then not only decided to not pass that savings onto the customer, but actually secretively raised the price $30. I am not suggesting that removing the power brick doesn't have any impact on the environment. What I am suggesting is that I don't buy for a second that it was the primary motivator for remov…

It's going to be incredibly frustrating for the average person to buy an almost-$1000 device, use it until it runs out of battery, and realize that a charger is a completely separate purchase. Especially because the included cable is USB-C, so it won't work with most old power bricks. I feel like Steve wouldn't've let this happen... the UX is just so, so bad. It feels incredibly profit-motivated.

It's not bad that it's profit-motivated, it's bad because it is short-sighted, greedy and consumer-hostile.

This is the type of thing that is done because (many) someone's bonus is tied to some profit margin kpi, and they figured out the cheapest, most direct way to do it, customer be damned.

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Post by mthoms »

larkost wrote: post #70
markdown wrote: post #32

> Apple fibs about... You aren't an American television news network reporting on politicians, and you don't need to pretend that a mega-corporation told a cute little "fib". They lied. That's the word to use.

No, they mislead. They did not say something that is untrue. They said "starting at $699", which is technically true. They should have been more forthcoming, and said "when bought for carriers..." (which they did in small print), the absence of which was solidly misleading. But they did not "fib" or "lie", both of which mean an untrue statement. The problem that U.S. media has been having is that President Trump prob…

>... was solidly misleading. But they did not "fib" or "lie", both of which mean an untrue statement.

The end result is the same. Being intentionally misleading _IS_ lying, with the only difference being that the liar now has plausible deniability.

If there's anything at all that my life experience has told me, it's that this is actually the worst kind of lying.

NB: I don't have strong feelings about this particular instance, it just irks me when people grant a pass because it wasn't "technically" lying. Even though the intention was exactly the same.

Lies by omission are still lies.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by stetrain »

saagarjha wrote: post #151
stetrain wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"decided to not pass that savings onto the customer" Do you have access to the BOM? Sure it was likely a cost-savings measure, but it may have been to combat rising prices elsewhere. It's a two-sided equation and we can't see the whole thing. If Apple did want to be environmentally friendly though I would think offering a reasonably priced multi-device (4-ports?) charger would be more effective than just selling a si…

They pulled it from all their other iPhones and kept the price the same. I think it's pretty clear it's profit for Apple.

I believe the only one that stayed the same price was the SE, the XR and 11 both dropped by $100 (but that's a normal yearly move from Apple).

But yeah, definitely boosting margins on the older phones.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by notJim »

mtm7 wrote: post #170
jacurtis wrote: post #122

Let's also not forget that Apple also removed a $20-30 accessory from the box under the guise of saving the planet. Then not only decided to not pass that savings onto the customer, but actually secretively raised the price $30. I am not suggesting that removing the power brick doesn't have any impact on the environment. What I am suggesting is that I don't buy for a second that it was the primary motivator for remov…

It's going to be incredibly frustrating for the average person to buy an almost-$1000 device, use it until it runs out of battery, and realize that a charger is a completely separate purchase. Especially because the included cable is USB-C, so it won't work with most old power bricks. I feel like Steve wouldn't've let this happen... the UX is just so, so bad. It feels incredibly profit-motivated.

Are you serious? You think the average person a) doesn't know that you have to charge your phone and b) doesn't have like 50 of those stupid cubes and a bunch of cables sitting in a drawer somewhere?

Tech people's continued assumption that they're the only ones who aren't total troglodytes is ridiculous.

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