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The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Your comment is funny, but you should be aware this is a state issue, not a federal one. Unless you are implying every state is down too :)

What makes this a state issue?

Every state has the right to pass laws that apply within it's borders.

The state approach is more fine-grained so a negative outcome is localized, and if the outcome is positive people in other states can enact similar laws if they want.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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The whole point is that the competitor can't compete because the consumer is being lied to about the price in the first place—which they don't know until it's too late.

People think they have a lot more say with their insignificant purchases then they really do. Insignificant purchases by individuals can't sway how businesses run.

This is about as bad an argument as saying that voting is pointless because one individual vote is not going to change anything. Individual purchases summed up amount to a lot.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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It's so bizarre that they lied over $30. Unless I am misunderstanding the motivation behind this decision. But if they really just lied to make the price appear to be $30 cheaper, it seems kind of strange. I don't think customers will be fooled or pleased when they find out the real price, and I'm not really sure if that was worth it.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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I understand Apple’s approach to Verizon here. Just like the initial iPhone needed one carrier to get things right, 5G infrastructure testing will be like that. It is in Apple’s best interest if their users experience 5G as best as the current infrastructure allows (which isn’t great yet, because it will take a decade for a full rollout). It makes sense to have the carriers bend over backwards to see who gets to be t…

> Just like the initial iPhone needed one carrier to get things right

Except for the rest of the world, which did just fine.

Apple tried to do US-like deals with European carriers and it was just so fundamentally incompatible with the European mindset that many people simply did not understand what they were trying to sell or why.

It took a year or so before Apple realized Europeans buy phones and subscriptions separately and the iPhone-sales took off, because now people could actually buy a phone.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Let's also not forget that Apple also removed a $20-30 accessory from the box under the guise of saving the planet. Then not only decided to not pass that savings onto the customer, but actually secretively raised the price $30. I am not suggesting that removing the power brick doesn't have any impact on the environment. What I am suggesting is that I don't buy for a second that it was the primary motivator for remov…

"decided to not pass that savings onto the customer"

Do you have access to the BOM? Sure it was likely a cost-savings measure, but it may have been to combat rising prices elsewhere. It's a two-sided equation and we can't see the whole thing.

If Apple did want to be environmentally friendly though I would think offering a reasonably priced multi-device (4-ports?) charger would be more effective than just selling a single-device charger separately.

One charger for many devices for many years is a better story than "It's the same charger, just purchased separately now."

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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What part of "starting at $699" is a lie? You will be able to exchange $699 for an iPhone 12 Mini.

And then you will be charged a 30 dollar mandatory activation fee once you attempt to use your phone. Wheras on T-Mobile you pay 729, and then do not have an activation fee. It is basically a scam, much like how hotels are allowed to charge "resort fees" to have lower prices in online search engines.

Apple doesn't operate cell networks, nor do they sell that service.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Let's also not forget that Apple also removed a $20-30 accessory from the box under the guise of saving the planet. Then not only decided to not pass that savings onto the customer, but actually secretively raised the price $30. I am not suggesting that removing the power brick doesn't have any impact on the environment. What I am suggesting is that I don't buy for a second that it was the primary motivator for remov…

> Apple also removed a $20-30 accessory from the box under the guise of saving the planet

Come on....

Everyone (to some approximation) has a charger already!

Why knock the people trying to reduce waste?

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Let's also not forget that Apple also removed a $20-30 accessory from the box under the guise of saving the planet. Then not only decided to not pass that savings onto the customer, but actually secretively raised the price $30. I am not suggesting that removing the power brick doesn't have any impact on the environment. What I am suggesting is that I don't buy for a second that it was the primary motivator for remov…

They may be passing savings along by not raising prices more.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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What part of "starting at $699" is a lie? You will be able to exchange $699 for an iPhone 12 Mini.

The part where you have to spend more than $699

You don't "have to" spend more than $699. $699 is the price you pay for the phone on ATT or Verizon. This is spelled out clearly on their website, on the button you click to select the phone you want to order.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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The moment Tim allowed someone to get up on stage and unironically say the words "5G just got real" is the moment they lost that keynote. Literally everyone I know who watched the presentation thought it was an ad by Verizon to push their stupid 5G network with stupid examples that made it seem like you didn't have internet access before. This stupid thing is the reason why the iPhones have a little discolored patch on the right side. I hope Apple got paid well for it, because the amount of damage this entire thing has done to their brand is fairly deep.
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