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The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by jandrese »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #46
joejohnson wrote: post #30

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The corporations have been running the country since it was a nation.

I wonder if DOW Chemical and P&G were backing the Federalists in the 1700s or not...

No, but powerful slaveholding interests were a major factor in the design of our government. It's the reasons our voting system favors low-population states--because slaves only counted as 3/5 of a person and the slaveholders were worried this would mean less representation in government and the danger that owning slaves would be outlawed.

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Post by kindatrue »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #59
floatingatoll wrote: post #33

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I remember the iPhone launching as an AT&T exclusive or something back in the day. Did whichever US carrier it was get the same duration of exclusive placement?

I understand that was more because AT&T/Cingular was the only carrier willing to allow a phone that they literally weren’t allowed to see until launch day onto their network. Didn’t the other carriers baulk at Apple and tell them to pound-sand for thinking they’d let them use their network without any oversight of their phone’s software system or similar?

AT&T/Cingular was in a very weak position at the time, and really needed a win -- Steve Jobs exploited/leveraged the situation.

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Post by goodluckchuck »

Price-discrimination and tying in support of monopoly?

Seems like an anti-trust nightmare for Apple and the relevant telecom. I guess they figure they're in the green since the conspiracy is slightly trans-industry and not simply telecoms fixing telecom prices.

However, to me, it's still price fixing when AT&T and Verizon agreeing to fix iPhone prices.

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Post by tchalla »

I looked at the Apple Website for iPhone 12 Mini and I see this [0]. If you click on "Compare all Pricing and Special Offers" you will see $30 instant discount for AT&T and Verizon both. T-Mobile and Sprint cost $729. I notice the same for iPhone 12 too. The iPhone 12 Pro and Pro Max have no difference in pricing amongst all providers ($999 / $1099).

[0] https://imgur.com/rKNDwyd

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Post by acheron »

2bitencryption wrote: post #48
floatingatoll wrote: post #33

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I remember the iPhone launching as an AT&T exclusive or something back in the day. Did whichever US carrier it was get the same duration of exclusive placement?

Ah, Cingular wireless, gobbled up by AT&T after the iPhone announcement.

That’s not what happened. Cingular was jointly owned by SBC and BellSouth. The two companies merged, and SBC also bought out AT&T and rebranded themselves. Once Cingular was solely owned by a company named AT&T, it was rebranded to match the parent company.

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Post by tomjakubowski »

vineyardmike wrote: post #15
ralph84 wrote: post #5

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At least they didn't force a U2 album on you this time

Listening to U2 Album >>> Listening to Verizon talk about 5g

The U2 album has some evil way of popping up and finding its way onto my Apple devices (and then auto playing) no matter how I try and remove it from my library. It is my albatross.

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Post by pvg »

notimetorelax wrote: post #80
mensetmanusman wrote: post #57

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I think netflix users might notice. If they can push ‘download local’ and it takes 1 second to do so, that might be an interesting thing :) Also, 1 GB games that take 1 second to update will be nice.

With symmetric 1Gbit internet at home, I noticed that other parts of the system become a bottleneck. E.g. my laptop built in SSD simply cannot handle these speeds, something to do with the drivers. I assume phone users may see similar issues.

What speeds are you seeing? 1Gbit internet is sort of like having LAN speeds for internet access and most machines deal with that fine. 100ish megabytes/sec is something most old SATA SSD's can typically do. But that aside, if phones are fine on LANs, it seems they ought to be just fine on WANs running at LAN speeds.

Re: The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini

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Post by jandrese »

jb775 wrote: post #104
freedomben wrote: post #51

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I asked straight up before seeing the doc about the cost and nobody knew. They finally estimated "about $1,500" and my total bill was around $5,000. And if I refuse to pay it, they send me to collections. It's insane what they are allowed to do.

I've always wondered which part of the medical supply chain is causing healthcare prices to rise so rapidly. There's no way these are natural market rates being driven by supply/demand, it's gotta be something artificial. My guess is something along the lines of medical device companies colluding to prop up prices to hospitals.

It's not collusion, it's a natural consequence of the way healthcare billing is structured in the US. You don't get to comparison shop but also have a captive audience (you're not just going to decide to be blind right?) so there's no pressure to keep prices reasonable.

This makes a lot of money for powerfully connected companies, so don't expect it to change anytime soon. This is why our congress and mass media treat Medicare For All as a joke or something to attack politicians on even though it's popular with a majority of Americans.

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Post by Brozilean »

ashtonkem wrote: post #64
joejohnson wrote: post #30

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The corporations have been running the country since it was a nation.

That's really not true. US political and economic thought heavily centered around individual proprietors and farmers before the civil war, and was deeply suspicious of large corporations. In some states you could only form a joint stock company for time & scope limited things, such as building a canal. It's only after the Civil War and into the Gilded Age do we see the rise and acceptance of large scale corporations,…

Do you have a source for this? I'd love to read more.
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