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World reaction to long queues of voters in US

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Re: World reaction to long queues of voters in US

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post #183

So, these lines are not representative of an actual election day. Actual election day is November 3, 2020. Some states are in early voting right now [0]. That typically means that there's a very limited number of polling stations open. For instance, in Pinellas County, FL there's only 5 early voting locations, compared to 301 poll locations during election day. That's a 60x discrepancy! This is for 713,000 registered…

713,000 voters for 301 locations. Assuming 356k vote on election day, and voting takes place over 12 hours. That's still about 100 per hour and location. And that's ignoring that most will likely vote on their way from/to work (spices in demand), and that polling locations are most likely not perfectly distributed according to the population distribution. Germany has 73,000 locations for 61,690,000 voters. Germany ha…

I assume it takes 20-25 minutes to cast a ballot.

I once timed voters, data gathering in the debate between paper ballots vs touchscreens. From signing the poll book to dropping ballot in the box. Avg 21 minutes, for both paper and electronic (no significant difference). For a moderately sized general election ballot (~40 issues and races).

Election administrators absolutely know these timings, how to properly do capacity planning. Whether they admit it or not.

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In my jurisdiction, dropping off a ballot is trivial. It's just a box. Drive or walk up. Open safety door. Drop the ballot.

I read that Texas requires proper identification to drop off ballots. And prohibits 3rd party help, eg wife cannot deliver husband's ballot. (I can't imagine any scenario where that extraneous step is merited.) So factor in the actual time & motion data per jursidiction. Because as we know, every jurisdiction insists on doing their own thing, independent of all other considerations.

Re: World reaction to long queues of voters in US

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I've never voted for the POTUS and I expect I never will. From my POV I don't really care who wins but I think my preference leans to Trump. That has mostly to do with the Democrats being overly populistic about all the concerns, without offering any solutions. If you push through the endless barrage of misinformation from both sides, it does seem that the conservatives have a better understanding on how to progress…

I am curious about your opposition to the Green New Deal plan. Could you explain why you think it is ridiculous ? I am a Canadian Liberal .... I may not agree with you but I am looking to understand your position.

Re: World reaction to long queues of voters in US

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Why this does not make sense? Can you elaborate?

It seems to good to be true?

I can see why that can be hard to believe.

See the report from Reuters[1]

Also there is a book written [2] "An Undocumented Wonder : The Making of the Great Indian Election"

https://graphics.reuters.com/INDIA-ELECTION-STATIONS/010092F...

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22119020-an-undocumented...

Re: World reaction to long queues of voters in US

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post #180

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> So, these lines are not representative of an actual election day. So you claim. And yet we regularly see this kind of pictures on actual US election days. For example, a very quick DuckDuckGo image search for "us elections long lines" leads to this as the second hit: https://www.firstpost.com/photos/world-gallery/us-2012-elect...

Here's hard data showing that long lines like these aren't the norm: https://medium.com/mit-election-lab/insights-into-voting-wai...

Correct. The sabotage is targeted. Per that cite, non whites experience longer waits.

Re: World reaction to long queues of voters in US

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I've never voted for the POTUS and I expect I never will. From my POV I don't really care who wins but I think my preference leans to Trump. That has mostly to do with the Democrats being overly populistic about all the concerns, without offering any solutions. If you push through the endless barrage of misinformation from both sides, it does seem that the conservatives have a better understanding on how to progress…

It's hilarious how so many on the far-right label themselves as centrists and then blame the left on "forcing" them to vote right.

I'm not forced at all. I'm left in a lot of ways that the right would never agree with. I am in favour of cherry-picking from socialist traits like proper welfare, affordable health care and schooling, higher taxes.

But the left-wing people just go to the next extreme, that's where you'll hear populist rhetoric like "take it from the billionaires" and other such nonsense that will accomplish nothing for obvious reasons.

I don't assign loyalty to the Republicans nor the Democrats. I think both are terrible for the USA.

Re: World reaction to long queues of voters in US

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So, these lines are not representative of an actual election day. Actual election day is November 3, 2020. Some states are in early voting right now [0]. That typically means that there's a very limited number of polling stations open. For instance, in Pinellas County, FL there's only 5 early voting locations, compared to 301 poll locations during election day. That's a 60x discrepancy! This is for 713,000 registered…

> “ And by far, the biggest problem is that election day is always on a Tuesday and is not a national holiday. IMO this would be the best change to make first, to enable more people to be available for voting.“ that would be nice and i’d support such a bill, but it wouldn’t likely increase voting rates drastically, as many (esp. working class) folks still work on (most) holidays. to increase participation materially,…

Emphatic agreement. There are no silver bullets, quick fixes.

Re: World reaction to long queues of voters in US

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post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's hard data showing that long lines like these aren't the norm: https://medium.com/mit-election-lab/insights-into-voting-wai...

Correct. The sabotage is targeted. Per that cite, non whites experience longer waits.

Agreed, and that's not acceptable, but no group is experiencing wait times of several hours each election, which seems to be the conclusion drawn by many readers of the BBC article.

Re: World reaction to long queues of voters in US

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At the end of the day ordering the new iPhone should not be easier than voting

Clearly you don't remember the lines of people camping out multiple days to pick up an iPhone...

Then Apple adapted by allowing preorders. Now suffering the queues is elective.

Re: World reaction to long queues of voters in US

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post #42
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It's both amazing and terrible. Amazing to see people standing up for their rights and voting in the face of adversity, these voters deserve praise and are role models for the country. Terrible because it means that they are in corrupt districts that are not properly facilitating democracy. Worthy of a federal corruption investigation potentially resulting in criminal charges. Though I am very glad people are willing…

It drives me nuts that the "opposition" party is not responding to this with calls for mass action to demand fair elections, including occupations and strikes if necessary, but by exhorting unlikely voters who feel apathetic to vote harder against voter suppression.

This is why, if the U.S. can avoid becoming a failed state in the near future where laws mean nothing for those in power, the most important priority should be to change how voting is done to allow ranked choice and end the duopoly. It's not rational in most cases to try to run third party candidates given how the math works out currently, but we desperately need to make that viable. Perhaps if a single-issue voting reform party was created and it deliberately and rigorously avoided all wedge issues it could work. The second you tack on any other platform agenda it'll be the same old story, though.

Re: World reaction to long queues of voters in US

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The people behind this would tell you it's a "feature": by making it incredibly undesirable for people in densely-populated areas to vote (which almost universally lean Democratic), you ensure that only the "right" people are able to vote.

I've heard people unselfconsciously testify against translation (Chinese, Spanish) of voting materials and ballots. Worse, they advocated literacy tests.

Jim Crow much?

There's plenty of popular support for disenfranchising eligible voters.

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