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2.1M of the oldest Usenet posts are now online for anyone to read

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Re: 2.1M of the oldest Usenet posts are now online for anyone to read

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I am running it through a certain set of filters. From my SEO days I recalled that new websites are often penalized based on the certain keywords in search engines. Considering this is a new site, and there is 300 million plus posts and I am not able to read and moderate it, this is the best way I know of to deal with it. But perhaps you're right and I should get rid of it. I'll think about it. This is a valid commen…

One option is to censor by default for SEO, but have some checkbox that sets a cookie that uncensors it.

This would be a really cool sulotion, kind of the reversal of typical seo bombing techniques that hide spam pages on compromised sites.

Re: 2.1M of the oldest Usenet posts are now online for anyone to read

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Interesting that COMP.LANG.LISP has posts dating last month. I guess the network isn't dead. I wonder if there are groups with interesting recent activity.

https://www.usenetarchives.com/threads.php?id=rec.autos.spor...

Was really suprised to see this, a page an a half of posts and healthy replies from just this last month. I really wonder what type of people still hang out there.

Re: 2.1M of the oldest Usenet posts are now online for anyone to read

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I had a brief occasion to use NNTP twelve or thirteen years ago, where my university was still using NNTP for course discussion boards. It was awesome. You had a good choice of clients to read and post (instead of a half-baked webapp), and everything was incredibly snappy. We have fallen so far. There's no money in building protocols and money in apps, so people build apps instead.

I still miss the thread visualization that MacSOUP used. Much easier to follow up on new posts in threads than the modern inline/indent format used by sites like HN and Reddit. https://faqintosh.com/risorse/common/ecg/204/it/msgwin.png

Re: 2.1M of the oldest Usenet posts are now online for anyone to read

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Why are many words censored? To take a completely random example (I just took one with many asterisks) where it makes the post completely illegible: https://www.usenetarchives.com/view.php?id=soc.sexuality.gen... For an archive this is a big no-no. Respect the source material! Otherwise, thank you for the time spent doing this.

I am running it through a certain set of filters. From my SEO days I recalled that new websites are often penalized based on the certain keywords in search engines. Considering this is a new site, and there is 300 million plus posts and I am not able to read and moderate it, this is the best way I know of to deal with it. But perhaps you're right and I should get rid of it. I'll think about it. This is a valid commen…

Maybe rot13 the words you think you need to censor? That'd be in keeping with the usenet tradition at least from the mid-late 90s when I was reading/posting heavily. And maybe add a simple javascript ROT13 widget so people can easily reveal it? (There was a time in my life when I could read ROT13-ed things pretty accurately in my head.)

Re: 2.1M of the oldest Usenet posts are now online for anyone to read

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For that example, it's at least fairly obvious why it was censored, but this one really puzzles me: "Getting good FP performance from a micro seems to require pipelining. Keeping the p e(s) full seems to require a certain amount of parallelism and regularity." https://www.usenetarchives.com/view.php?id=comp.arch&g=14965... Edit: Ah, the irony. HN markdown causes two consecutive asterisks to disappear.

> For that example, it's at least fairly obvious why it was censored. Actually, it's not that obvious. It censored "Dirty Sanchez". I'm thinking it thought it was a person's name, and censored it for privacy reasons? > Keeping the p e(s) full seems to I suppose "pipe" can have an offensive/sexual connotation. Even if it doesn't so much today, perhaps it did back then.

IIRC, 'Dirty Sanchez' is a slang term for a sexual act.

Re: 2.1M of the oldest Usenet posts are now online for anyone to read

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This is pretty unethical by what normal HN standards are around privacy. This is a bit like as a teenager going to a meeting in the 80's, having it recorded without you knowing and now it being on online. There was no expectations usenet would be stored or be searchable back then.

Didn't we already litigate this back in the Deja days?

Re: 2.1M of the oldest Usenet posts are now online for anyone to read

#188

Can someone explain Usenet to me? As I understand it, it's not a website. Is it something outside of the WWW? Does it have its own protocol or does it use HTTP? Do you need a dedicated client software for it, similar to IRC? How do/did you register to it? Is it paid? Who hosts it?

For those interested in early online systems, I strongly recommend John S. Quarterman's The Matrix: Computer Networks and Conferencing Systems Worldwide:

https://archive.org/details/matrixcomputerne0000quar/mode/2u...

I lifted a copy off a friend who was thinning his book herd a decade or so back. The first edition, published in 1990, predates the commercial Internet, World Wide Web, Linux, and all of what's transpired since, though the introduction pressages much by noting the role of existing networks in the the then-fresh events of April 15 – June 4, 1989, known as the six-four incident, and culminating in the Tiananmen Square Massacre.

The book has a 15 page section describing Usenet, including user and traffic statistics from 1979--1988, mostly compiled by Gene Spafford and Brian Reid. Usenet is only one of numerous conferencing systems covered, others being BITNET, UUCP, FidoNET, VNET, and EASYnet

For April, 1988: 381 newsgroups, 57,979 messages, 130.949 MB, 4,152--7,810 hosts (depending on who counted and how), and an estimated 141,000 readers (people) from a total online population of 880,000.

Larry Wall, working at JPL, is named ... as the author of rn.

Much of the book, though, simply discusses the many many individual computer networks. The notion of a single global end-to-end interconnected inter-network was still very much a novelty.

In one section, the fact that the principle public interconnect between North America and Europe was a single 9600 Baud link is mentioned....

Re: 2.1M of the oldest Usenet posts are now online for anyone to read

#189
post #89

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Well there's a decent chance you're going to be working for millennial and gen-X'ers nowadays. We're the ones who were hiding all our online lives (still) from our parents. I'm glad my Myspace was deleted to my teenage angst. Point being a lot of us I think are really respective of privacy and the fact that people (even teachers and nurses!) have lives that don't revolve around work.

Nice to see Gen X mentioned. In the several years, the media has mentioned only Boomers, Millennials, and Gen Z. It’s like Gen X is the lost generation.

This is something that I've been aware of for a while now. Us (Gen-Xrs) have had a rough time of it; The boomers rode the financial booms and mostly did well, and the millennials are pandered to everywhere you look, whereas we had to suffer more than one financial crash, and the media and retail pretend like we don't exist, so nothing is aligned to our values or desires.

Even worse, there's a large chunk of millenials who don't even believe that Gen-X exists, and think that the generation above them are all boomers.

Re: 2.1M of the oldest Usenet posts are now online for anyone to read

#190
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Though, the added 2.1M posts seems to be specifically among the ones here: https://usenetarchives.com/groups.php?c=utzoo

Thanks! Some great stuff under there, including the ranting review of the first episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation on TV from 1987: https://usenetarchives.com/view.php?id=alt.flame&g=224&p=0 Amazingly, you could replace most of the content of that post with "Star Trek Discovery" or "Star Trek Picard" and it'd be just like a recent post! I think The Next Generation fared well despite the slow first series. Fasc…

> Children on a starship. I won't even comment on the Cosby Family Goes to Outer Space. I can just see the plot development. Ratings sag, knock up the Security Officer. Awww. Cute baby scene.

Actually, it was the Security Officer's Wife, Keiko. :D

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