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Re: San Francisco Apartment Rents Crater Up to 31%, Most in U.S.

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 12:26 AM UTC

opportune wrote: post #383

mercutio2 wrote: post #264

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I keep reading people make this claim. I haven't found it to be even remotely true for the food my family is inclined to eat. Every time I've gone to visit hip small college towns for the last 5 years, I've eagerly sought out the talked-about eateries, and they were all... distinctly mediocre compared to NYC or Bay Area or LA food. You still can't find anything but Americanized Asian food, even the California-cuisine…

I’m honestly surprised so many people put Bay Area/SF food on the same scale as NYC and LA. It only makes sense when you consider top-tier fine dining (like, Michelin star(s)) IMO. For middle-tier dining I think SF and the Bay Area don’t even come close to either of those cities. In fact I think those hip young college towns are much better, in my experience. It’s just that it’s going to be a different set of foods:…

> It only makes sense when you consider top-tier fine dining (like, Michelin star(s)) IMO

Within a narrow window. The diversity and turnover of New York or London’s food offerings compared with the Bay Area’s is on par with the latter’s offerings in relation to Fresno’s. If anything, the Bay offers its uniqueness in the middle tier of immigrant fusion.

Re: San Francisco Apartment Rents Crater Up to 31%, Most in U.S.

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Post by lotsofpulp » Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 12:29 AM UTC

opportune wrote: post #383

mercutio2 wrote: post #264

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I keep reading people make this claim. I haven't found it to be even remotely true for the food my family is inclined to eat. Every time I've gone to visit hip small college towns for the last 5 years, I've eagerly sought out the talked-about eateries, and they were all... distinctly mediocre compared to NYC or Bay Area or LA food. You still can't find anything but Americanized Asian food, even the California-cuisine…

I’m honestly surprised so many people put Bay Area/SF food on the same scale as NYC and LA. It only makes sense when you consider top-tier fine dining (like, Michelin star(s)) IMO. For middle-tier dining I think SF and the Bay Area don’t even come close to either of those cities. In fact I think those hip young college towns are much better, in my experience. It’s just that it’s going to be a different set of foods:…

I would say middle tier food in SF is easily better than NYC.

Re: San Francisco Apartment Rents Crater Up to 31%, Most in U.S.

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Post by gmadsen » Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 12:39 AM UTC

tarsinge wrote: post #137

zdragnar wrote: post #86

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As a counter anecdote, I know three people from the bay area who moved out during covidtide, but had already planned the move beforehand. (This is a very high percentage of people I know from the bay area, hence the anecdote). All had the same rationale: taxes and housing were simply far too high when they could work remotely and live anywhere else. Sure, you don't get the same outdoors, food or retail scene, but ple…

> food or retail scene In my experience this is becoming less and less true, smaller cities are really catching up, it's not 2010 anymore. My pet theory is that social networks like Instagram have done a good job spreading fashion and food experiences/expectations that were previously exclusives to big city centers.

Sorry but this is wrong. Food scenes require diverse cultures. Small town USA doesn't have 50+ ethnic groups making restaurants downtown

Re: San Francisco Apartment Rents Crater Up to 31%, Most in U.S.

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Post by derptron » Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 12:41 AM UTC

tenaciousDaniel wrote: post #45

mxcrossb wrote: post #26

> The figures underscore how the pandemic has roiled property markets and changed renter preferences. With companies allowing employees to work from home, people have fled cramped and costly urban areas in droves, seeking extra room in the suburbs or cheaper cities. I am skeptical. Yes a lot of Bay Area companies are allowing work from home for now, but are people really weighing that so heavily that they’re moving?…

While I don't want to live in a super urban place like SF, I will always live near a downtown. The draw for me is that I hate depending on cars, so I want everything (mail/barber/grocery/work/restaurants/etc) within walking distance. The lifestyle advantage to walking around as your primary source of commute is so significant that I couldn't imagine ever going back.

What exactly is the lifestyle advantage of having to walk everywhere?

Re: San Francisco Apartment Rents Crater Up to 31%, Most in U.S.

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Post by sokoloff » Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 12:41 AM UTC

jcranmer wrote: post #221

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-40C or -40F?

-40°C = -40°F.

I’ll bet $20 that GP knows that.

Re: San Francisco Apartment Rents Crater Up to 31%, Most in U.S.

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Post by bluGill » Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 12:43 AM UTC

delaynomore wrote: post #362

genericone wrote: post #350

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And if you haven't heard, all the public school names are going to be renamed, since people like Lincoln and George Washington were terrible people who shouldn't be celebrated /s [1] [1]: https://abc7news.com/renaming-sf-public-schools-school-name-...

>The names of presidents and other political and historic figures could soon be purged from SFUSD schools. This includes George Washington, Diane Feinstein, even Abraham Lincoln. What did Diane Feinstein do? :)

Go to Tennessee and ask that. Be prepared to listen for a long time.

Re: San Francisco Apartment Rents Crater Up to 31%, Most in U.S.

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Post by gmadsen » Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 12:47 AM UTC

rcpt wrote: post #334

mercutio2 wrote: post #264

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I keep reading people make this claim. I haven't found it to be even remotely true for the food my family is inclined to eat. Every time I've gone to visit hip small college towns for the last 5 years, I've eagerly sought out the talked-about eateries, and they were all... distinctly mediocre compared to NYC or Bay Area or LA food. You still can't find anything but Americanized Asian food, even the California-cuisine…

It's true that you can't buy a whole jackfruit at the grocery store in most of the US but I've always been able to find good restaurants of some variety with minimal effort. It's real hard to justify SF prices based on food options.

depends on your priorities. I would rather have nice restaurants than a nice apartment or house. I've lived in a culturally devoid suburb, where the options are fast food, or chain restaurants, and it affected my quality of life substantially.

Re: San Francisco Apartment Rents Crater Up to 31%, Most in U.S.

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Post by porknubbins » Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 12:54 AM UTC

gmadsen wrote: post #413

tarsinge wrote: post #137

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> food or retail scene In my experience this is becoming less and less true, smaller cities are really catching up, it's not 2010 anymore. My pet theory is that social networks like Instagram have done a good job spreading fashion and food experiences/expectations that were previously exclusives to big city centers.

Sorry but this is wrong. Food scenes require diverse cultures. Small town USA doesn't have 50+ ethnic groups making restaurants downtown

By this metric food scenes can only exist in 2-3 cities in the US (or world for that matter). I think food scenes that do one or two things well are totally worthwhile and a huge improvement over bland suburban chains.

Re: San Francisco Apartment Rents Crater Up to 31%, Most in U.S.

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Post by derptron » Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 12:56 AM UTC

colinmhayes wrote: post #315

lqet wrote: post #185

There is currently an article (in German) in the Frankfurter Allgemeine called "The Demise of San Francisco" [0] in which the possible reasons for this are discussed. One reason given (which I cannot verify as I don't live there) is: people are fleeing the city because it has become a terrible place to live: Quote from the article, Google translation: > Jayson Hill recently stopped by his old apartment. He didn't fee…

Do people actually care about seeing drug deals? what's the problem?

Are you this nonchalant about all daylight criminal activity that you witness?

Re: San Francisco Apartment Rents Crater Up to 31%, Most in U.S.

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Post by look_lookatme » Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 1:02 AM UTC

treis wrote: post #407

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Spend a few hundred dollars on some quality winter gear and don't worry about it. Wear layers. A scarf makes a huge difference. Probably larger than you would think. Chicago will probably get a "polar vortex" in February or March. It will be a week of really cold weather and then it will be over. You'll probably find that November and December are warmer than you expected. January is a bit dreary, but only because of…

>That sun can be intense! For the two hours a day it's out! Obviously an exaggeration but you can go to work in the dark and drive home in the dark on the shortest days of the year. Can be a real bummer for those that didn't grow up like that.

I live in New England and a bunch of people have moved up here from all over. I'm most curious about how they handle it getting dark at 4pm and everything being closed by 9.