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2.1M of the oldest Usenet posts are now online for anyone to read

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Re: 2.1M of the oldest Usenet posts are now online for anyone to read

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Can someone explain Usenet to me? As I understand it, it's not a website. Is it something outside of the WWW? Does it have its own protocol or does it use HTTP? Do you need a dedicated client software for it, similar to IRC? How do/did you register to it? Is it paid? Who hosts it?

I worked at a uni that had usenet, soon after graduating. There were newsgroups about everything, personally most mornings at work I'd look at comp.lang.c and others it was a great resource for learning - it was one place and all the uni's in the world were connected to it. I learnt so much from it.

Messages were transferred overnight by copying the latest changes between each uni, you could post to the use group of choice using a usenet client. I was very excited to have access to it at the time, it was rare to have a connection outside of a uni.

There were source code feeds to where you could download the latest sources and try to compile them yourself, I remember fiddling with things like flex and bison.

It was full nerd - pretty well everyone was an academic, student or worked at a uni or research lab, you'd have contact in almost real time with anyone - this was a new thing.

You'd interface with it using a glass tty - I had a vt52 which connected to a Sun 3 box, which was our development computer. I remember getting a 300 baud modem and connecting to it at night from home with my PC, or maybe it was my amstrad still, PC's were very expensive still. It was a fun time.

Edit: just remembered we only had one dial in modem to the uni, and I'd use it to dial in from home, I remember we used to fight over access to it - eventually they got a second one because the sys admin was sick of not being able to get access to the network at night. They to were very expensive, I think they were 2400 or maybe even 4800 bps - a crazy speed then.

Re: 2.1M of the oldest Usenet posts are now online for anyone to read

#72
Folks, I am the guy behind this project. A friend of mine mentioned he saw the site mentioned on hacker news, so I came to check it out. If you have any questions for me, don't hesitate to ask, as time permits (and two little boys), I'll do my best to answer them.

Re: 2.1M of the oldest Usenet posts are now online for anyone to read

#73

Can someone explain Usenet to me? As I understand it, it's not a website. Is it something outside of the WWW? Does it have its own protocol or does it use HTTP? Do you need a dedicated client software for it, similar to IRC? How do/did you register to it? Is it paid? Who hosts it?

Had its own protocol, "NetNews", and used a peer to peer network called "UUCP" which is short for "unix to Unix copy" (the unix copy command being cp). One would "post" a message and periodically one or more systems would poll your system. Either over the ARPAnet or via an actual modem. It would fetch all of the posts that had been created on that system and add them to its list of new posts, and it would send you al…

Is that where uuencode came from?

Re: 2.1M of the oldest Usenet posts are now online for anyone to read

#74
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. It's outside the WWW. Originally, it was outside the Internet. The basic concept is simply copying and forwarding email-like messages, grouped into a hierarchical set of newsgroup feeds. A host would subscribe to other hosts, and would allow other hosts to subscribe to their own feeds. And then just push/pull this through the network. Originally, this was done all with shell scripts dialing up remote hosts by mo…

So basically there was a fully synced copy of the entire newsgroup contents for the groups I'm subscribed to? Like it would fetch all the new messages that arrived in alt.atheism and store it on my disk? But that surely wouldn't work on alt.binaries. Was there something like a cutoff at a certain size and you'd have to explicitly request the full content for some specific messages?

I think the key bit is where "my" is in that second sentence. At the time, the main server (or your hosting service) would, indeed, have the full list of messages for all the groups they carried, with a lookback of a certain number of days (the "retention"). The retention and the groups that a hosting service subscribed to would be part of how you would pick which to sign up with.

Your disk, however, would only have the messages you'd specifically requested and pulled down over your modem. (Or, if you went way back to the vt100 days, "your disk" was the central server which had it all.)

Re: 2.1M of the oldest Usenet posts are now online for anyone to read

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post #67

It's really striking the relatively high quality of post content. Jumping into a group related to an interest of mine all the discussions are very engaging. Assuming there's little in the way of moderation perhaps there's something to be said for small networks with a barrier to entry.

That, plus kill files, plus probably a more university-educated and often affiliated population (.edu employees and student, and white collar business population).

Re: 2.1M of the oldest Usenet posts are now online for anyone to read

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post #56

Can someone explain Usenet to me? As I understand it, it's not a website. Is it something outside of the WWW? Does it have its own protocol or does it use HTTP? Do you need a dedicated client software for it, similar to IRC? How do/did you register to it? Is it paid? Who hosts it?

Go to eternal-september.org, sign up, set up Thunderbird or another NNTP client, and you can experience Usenet today in all its glory. Comp.misc is a good group to start with.

Thanks! I just did it. Very interesting.

Re: 2.1M of the oldest Usenet posts are now online for anyone to read

#77
post #16

Does anyone know if the old RelayNet (aka RIME) and FidoNet stuff ever made into these kinds of archives? I believe these were gatewayed with Usenet (so you could use NNTP to read and write), though they weren't actually part of Usenet proper. I was an active participant back in the 1990s, but it disappeared when the web took over.

There is some RIME and FidoNet stuff on textfiles.org

That domain doesn't seem to exist. Textfiles.com, maybe?

Re: 2.1M of the oldest Usenet posts are now online for anyone to read

#79

Folks, I am the guy behind this project. A friend of mine mentioned he saw the site mentioned on hacker news, so I came to check it out. If you have any questions for me, don't hesitate to ask, as time permits (and two little boys), I'll do my best to answer them.

I just want to say thank you to you and everyone involved! I ran a little mini project a while ago to archive my old Usenet posts by using puppeteer to scrape the content from Google groups, knowing full well that they could shut it down by fiat any time.

I've frankly never trusted them as a steward for this and I'm glad to see someone stepping in.

Do you have any plans to team up with the Internet Archive on this?

Re: 2.1M of the oldest Usenet posts are now online for anyone to read

#80
post #20

I and a number of people I know are grateful to Henry Spencer for not saving certain groups from the early days. On groups like soc.singles, we were young, lonely, indiscreet and posted using our real names, because it was a private club then (mid-80s).

Oh boy, thank God people my age don't have to worry about the incredibly embarrassing things we did, or embarrassing fanfiction we wrote, preserved publicly forever. Gen Z, woooooo. Woo. I'm doomed.

I'm Gen Z too and for my whole life the advice has been "Don't put your real info on the internet". The only thing that comes up when you search my name is my gitlab profile and a technical blog. All of my cringy forum posts still exist but they are all under random usernames and would be very difficult to link back to me.
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