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2.1M of the oldest Usenet posts are now online for anyone to read

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I and a number of people I know are grateful to Henry Spencer for not saving certain groups from the early days. On groups like soc.singles, we were young, lonely, indiscreet and posted using our real names, because it was a private club then (mid-80s).

... or at least, many acted like it was.

Re: 2.1M of the oldest Usenet posts are now online for anyone to read

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Wasn't this on Deja News that Google bought and integrated into Google groups? How is this archive different?

It doesn't feel like google has been a good steward of these archives. They blended usenet archives and google groups together in a really annoying way, content has erratically gone missing (see the lwn link that hprotagonist posted), and have seemingly lost interest overall--the whole google groups product has seemed neglected for years. My guess is the only reason it hasn't been sun-setted is that someone high up n…

Yahoo is taking the final steps to kill its groups product in a couple months. Google is usually 2-5 years behind Yahoo, so expect Google Groups to die before the end of 2025.

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Looks like alt got cut off; the alt.tv.* hierarchy isn't there (stops at 10 pages).

i was curious if the alt.binary.* was going to be included. lots of really old software split into RAR files binhexed into large swathes of text.

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I'm a bit surprised that a zip archive of only 2.1 million posts was almost 2GB. I wonder what a treemap of group size looks like.

Some of the posts were actual binary data converted to text, so there is more than people discussing things. (if those were included)

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Can someone explain Usenet to me? As I understand it, it's not a website. Is it something outside of the WWW? Does it have its own protocol or does it use HTTP? Do you need a dedicated client software for it, similar to IRC? How do/did you register to it? Is it paid? Who hosts it?

It was the world's biggest distributed BBS system.

Originally, Usenet used UUCP for transport; later on NNTP was defined so Usenet could be shared via TCP/IP. In the early days, only DARPA contractors (which included many university computer science departments) could be on the Internet; second-class citizens could use UUCP and modems.

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I'm a bit surprised that a zip archive of only 2.1 million posts was almost 2GB. I wonder what a treemap of group size looks like.

When you factor in that ZIP compresses by about half, that averages to around 2K per post -- one screenful of text on an 80x25 PC display -- which is unsurprising. It's probably distributed in terms of a few long, informative posts and a long tail of "AOL!" type posts, but still.

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Interesting that COMP.LANG.LISP has posts dating last month. I guess the network isn't dead. I wonder if there are groups with interesting recent activity.

Comp.sys.apple2 is active.

But "only" 30 years old. net.micro.apple (1983-1986) was reorganized to comp.sys.apple (1986-1990) which was reorganized to comp.sys.apple2.

comp.arch (1986-) easily has 10 times as much present day activity.

Re: 2.1M of the oldest Usenet posts are now online for anyone to read

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Can someone explain Usenet to me? As I understand it, it's not a website. Is it something outside of the WWW? Does it have its own protocol or does it use HTTP? Do you need a dedicated client software for it, similar to IRC? How do/did you register to it? Is it paid? Who hosts it?

An important part about usegroups is that it is from an era of dial-in connections.

One can dial into your ISP, sync News (fetch new messages in groups one is subscribed to and send messages) and then go offline and read/answer the messages without paying per minute and without blocking ports for other dial-in customers.

This also worked between different news servers in distinct networks with unreliable connections.

For the how paid: In some regions it was part of the things a "good" ISP had to offer their clients. Also back in the days™ large parts of the internet was run on machines in some university labs.

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