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Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by mycall »

illuminati1911 wrote: post #217
supernova87a wrote: post #152

It's the annual incremental improvement, and many will like the smaller form factor too I'm guessing. But the whole 5G hype is lost on me. Specifically, none of the carriers or handset makers are telling me how much the data will cost . Maybe I'm a little price-focused, but that determines for me whether I'm excited about it. If I'm just burning through my existing data limit faster, what's the point? What's the pric…

The whole 5G thing is just complete bullshit. After the tech has flopped pretty much worldwide and Verizon's and AT&T's "5G REMOTE SURGERY" and "RACE TO 5G" marketing bs didn't get consumers interested, they finally decided as a last resort to pay Apple and see if that will be enough to push this technology through.

5G isn't bullshit, but it will be years before the standards are completed to do novel things, like Vehicle-To-Pedestrian (V2P) -- imagine cars sensing humans and no longer running into them.

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by roboyoshi »

btgeekboy wrote: post #567
riantogo wrote: post #565

I feel we need to talk about the charger. It is not included in the box. The reasoning is that we have our chargers from previous iPhones. But those white boxes all take USB-A. The included cable is USB-C. Never mind, I will just use the USB-C charger from other devices. But wait... the cable that comes in the box is USB-C male and those adapters from other devices don't take USB-C (either fixed cable, or USB-A, or n…

Seems like those who need it will just pick up some of these: https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B079LYHNSR/

I was wondering about those while watching the keynote, but now that I see the price of 10$ I think most people would rather buy a cheap USBC charger at 10$ instead of an adapter?

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by cmckn »

filoleg wrote: post #605
cmckn wrote: post #581

Let’s talk about the return of MagSafe! It seems...kinda dumb. Instead of plugging in a lightning cable, I can now stick a hockey puck to the back of my phone? The “safe” in MagSafe came from its “yankability” without sending your device flying. But if my phone is laying on top of a hockey puck...it’s gonna go flying if I trip on the cable. Why couldn’t we fill in the lightning port and use flush surface contacts, li…

> Why couldn’t we fill in the lightning port and use flush surface contacts, like the MagSafe of yesteryear? I don't remember MagSafe on macbooks ever being truly flush. It was less deep of a port than USB, sure, but it was still a port. As for why not, there could be many reasons, but I have a feeling it might have something to do with their waterproof/dustproof rating. That's just a pure speculation on my end thoug…

MagSafe wasn’t flush, no; but I don’t think this is an inherent requirement. I think it’d be possible to make something flat on both the cable and device side.

> swapping the lightning port with a MagSafe one would make the phone pretty much impossible to use while charging

How so? I used my MacBook in bed while charging with MagSafe all the time. The magnets were fairly strong. With a cable going away from the bottom of the device, I think it’d be perfectly usable.

As far as waterproofing, getting rid of the lightning port seems inevitable, because it allows for better hermetic sealing. A flush set of pins seems great for this goal, surely it’s trivial to avoid shorting something out in the prescience of liquid? (I am not an electrical engineer)

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by bredren »

cmckn wrote: post #581

Let’s talk about the return of MagSafe! It seems...kinda dumb. Instead of plugging in a lightning cable, I can now stick a hockey puck to the back of my phone? The “safe” in MagSafe came from its “yankability” without sending your device flying. But if my phone is laying on top of a hockey puck...it’s gonna go flying if I trip on the cable. Why couldn’t we fill in the lightning port and use flush surface contacts, li…

I also thought the usability of the charger was odd.

It seems you would pick the phone up and if you didn’t grab and put down the charging disk, it would go clunk and hit the ground.

Sort of like the watch charger will do if it isn’t in a holder. Except louder and more expensive to replace.

This was actually shown in the “snap” video they showed where a phone was pulled away.

I couldn’t understand, are we expected to adhesive this to our bedside stand? Velcro adhesive? Use some other accessory that holds it down?

It just feels incomplete to me.

The cases and wallet thing seem great but I don’t get this charger.

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by cmckn »

blantonl wrote: post #639
cmckn wrote: post #581

Let’s talk about the return of MagSafe! It seems...kinda dumb. Instead of plugging in a lightning cable, I can now stick a hockey puck to the back of my phone? The “safe” in MagSafe came from its “yankability” without sending your device flying. But if my phone is laying on top of a hockey puck...it’s gonna go flying if I trip on the cable. Why couldn’t we fill in the lightning port and use flush surface contacts, li…

I think the concept of the wallet that can quickly snap on and off of the phone is pretty neat. I currently use a case that has a wallet functionality (for my driver's license and credit cards) and that doesn't allow me to use wireless charging without completely taking the case off.

True, the wallet and pop socket support is a great point.

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by Foivos »

0xB31B1B wrote: post #392
illuminati1911 wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole 5G thing is just complete bullshit. After the tech has flopped pretty much worldwide and Verizon's and AT&T's "5G REMOTE SURGERY" and "RACE TO 5G" marketing bs didn't get consumers interested, they finally decided as a last resort to pay Apple and see if that will be enough to push this technology through.

disagree, sort of. The marketing was always shit, but the 2 big differences between LTE and 5G are latency and cell size. Cell size matters because there is a ceiling for how many devices an LTE cell can support in a certain range. Thats why you get crappy speeds/connectivity’s at concerts/events/crowded areas. As I understand it, 5g can support more devices per cell, and also can have smaller cells for more connecti…

The minimum latency of LTE is around 15 ms. For 5G, depending on the configuration, it is 1 ms.

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by kube-system »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #558
kossTKR wrote: post #85

"The iPhone mini fits in the palm of you hand" lol. It's interesting that a reasonably sized phone is now a selling point in itself. In general i like keeping my devices for as long as possible - so when i jumped from the iPhone 6 to the iPhone 10, i was surprised to learn that the phone was hard to use with one hand now, extremely slippery and way, way heavier than my iphone 6. The mini seems like a good size for me…

I'm blown away that 5.4" is "mini". I'd pay decent money for a 4" phone.

This 5.4" phone is smaller in dimensions than the current 4.7" SE2.

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by roboyoshi »

ciarannolan wrote: post #62

Do people still watch these live? I find them really hard to watch. It's about 95% fluff and bullshit and 5% about the technology. I usually just read the bullet summary afterwards.

I started watching the keynotes with 2 tech friends when I was like 16 years old and as we grew older (am 27 now) they are the only events across the year where we sit down, talk a bit about tech and make fun of all the stupid bullshit in the keynote.

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by smusamashah »

Keyframe wrote: post #501
kossTKR wrote: post #85

"The iPhone mini fits in the palm of you hand" lol. It's interesting that a reasonably sized phone is now a selling point in itself. In general i like keeping my devices for as long as possible - so when i jumped from the iPhone 6 to the iPhone 10, i was surprised to learn that the phone was hard to use with one hand now, extremely slippery and way, way heavier than my iphone 6. The mini seems like a good size for me…

What do you mean by product design here? Tbh, I couldn't tell it apart from any other recent phone, let alone iphone.

It's same as iphone 4

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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Post by cmckn »

curiouser2 wrote: post #615
cmckn wrote: post #581

Let’s talk about the return of MagSafe! It seems...kinda dumb. Instead of plugging in a lightning cable, I can now stick a hockey puck to the back of my phone? The “safe” in MagSafe came from its “yankability” without sending your device flying. But if my phone is laying on top of a hockey puck...it’s gonna go flying if I trip on the cable. Why couldn’t we fill in the lightning port and use flush surface contacts, li…

It's likely solve the gap of "I can't use my phone while it's wirelessly charging". With the magsafe thing you can just clunk the charger to the back of your phone and keep using it. While battery life is still crap on these (side note - I didn't hear a single thing in the presentation about battery life... yikes) people are going to be charging their phones while they use them. I hate to be a pessimist but with them…

I guess my confusion is basically that: if I want to use my phone while it charges, I just plug it in with a lightning cable. I don’t need it to “wirelessly” charge if I’m having to connect something to the device anyway. It seems to be a weird 3rd option for charging.

They’re definitely getting rid of the port, maybe next year.

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