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Re: San Francisco Apartment Rents Crater Up to 31%, Most in U.S.

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Post by georgeecollins » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 7:32 PM UTC

sergefaguet wrote: post #324

Balgair wrote: post #301

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I'd say LA is worse, but not by much. Every date is a 75 minutes away and then 75 minutes back. SF is only 72 minutes ;)

LA has cool, attractive people. Which, especially for a straight guy, SF really does not. Plus if you are in Santa Monica or Venice the traffic to get to other cool places is not that bad.

The trick to LA is that it is huge, and you will tend to gravitate to certain parts. Different parts have different attractions. When I met my wife we both lived near by Fairfax & 3rd, which meant I could walk to her apartment. What didn't occur to me at the time was that we lived close to each other because we liked a lot of the same things and had similar life priorities. In retrospect location was a sorting mechanism that worked great for us.

Re: San Francisco Apartment Rents Crater Up to 31%, Most in U.S.

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Post by Redoubts » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 8:08 PM UTC

rm_-rf_slash wrote: post #271

dyingkneepad wrote: post #263

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But, as an outsider: is it the case for Bay Area? I mean, tech companies have way more males than females, I would expect that areas full of tech employees like the Bay Area would not be ideal for males trying to find partners due to the bigger competition. Is that the case? How is the male/female ratio in those areas?

If you’re a straight single male in the Bay Area your best dating option is to say fuck it and download Grindr or move to New York City.

Did both, can confirm.

Re: San Francisco Apartment Rents Crater Up to 31%, Most in U.S.

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Post by Redoubts » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 8:09 PM UTC

georgeecollins wrote: post #330

Balgair wrote: post #301

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I'd say LA is worse, but not by much. Every date is a 75 minutes away and then 75 minutes back. SF is only 72 minutes ;)

As someone who grew up in SF and went to school in LA, all this talk of where it is hard to date seems silly. People always like to complain about things like that but the truth is dating can be hard for some people anywhere.

No, there are absolutely strong forces which bring different kinds of people to one city over another.

Re: San Francisco Apartment Rents Crater Up to 31%, Most in U.S.

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Post by rcpt » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 8:19 PM UTC

mercutio2 wrote: post #264

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> food or retail scene In my experience this is becoming less and less true, smaller cities are really catching up, it's not 2010 anymore. My pet theory is that social networks like Instagram have done a good job spreading fashion and food experiences/expectations that were previously exclusives to big city centers.

I keep reading people make this claim. I haven't found it to be even remotely true for the food my family is inclined to eat. Every time I've gone to visit hip small college towns for the last 5 years, I've eagerly sought out the talked-about eateries, and they were all... distinctly mediocre compared to NYC or Bay Area or LA food. You still can't find anything but Americanized Asian food, even the California-cuisine…

It's true that you can't buy a whole jackfruit at the grocery store in most of the US but I've always been able to find good restaurants of some variety with minimal effort. It's real hard to justify SF prices based on food options.

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Post by rcpt » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 8:21 PM UTC

sjf wrote: post #121

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Compared to other big tech-hub cities, I'd think SF would be one of the better ones to spend the pandemic in. There's great parks like Dolores, Lands End, etc, and they'll still be comfortable to be in during this winter. Is there more to it than that?

The positives have to out weight the negatives of high crime, a large homeless population, high rents, small apartments, etc. Having nice parks is not unique to SF.

Don't forget school districting based on Game of Thrones

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Post by whytaka » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 8:23 PM UTC

perardi wrote: post #10

And just north of the border: Toronto rent prices are down 14.9% year-over-year. https://rentals.ca/national-rent-report (Detached home prices? Up 10.8%, to an average of $1.14 million CAD. Sigh.)

Why is Montreal up 24% YOY?

Re: San Francisco Apartment Rents Crater Up to 31%, Most in U.S.

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Post by rcpt » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 8:25 PM UTC

bumby wrote: post #198

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SF is great (really, just stop it haters!) and there will always be people who want to live there and prices will always be relatively high. However, for a long time SF has been a place of extreme price distortion because of low (~no) new construction and huge concentration of high paying jobs. The result is many many people feeling trapped there way beyond where it makes sense for their lives. If you are single and…

I’m curious as someone who has never lived in SV (only visited for work) but do you feel like there are certain areas that displaced SV gravitate towards and would eventually cause property in those areas to rise as well?

Look at Bay Area price-to-rent ratios - some of the highest in the nation. California property prices are heavily driven by speculation. We have laws like Prop 13 that incentivize buyers to take out the biggest loans possible and put NIMBYs on steroids.

If SV workers move to a state that welcomes newcomers instead of punishing them don't expect the same meteoric property increases.

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Post by hnarn » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 8:28 PM UTC

colinmhayes wrote: post #315

lqet wrote: post #185

There is currently an article (in German) in the Frankfurter Allgemeine called "The Demise of San Francisco" [0] in which the possible reasons for this are discussed. One reason given (which I cannot verify as I don't live there) is: people are fleeing the city because it has become a terrible place to live: Quote from the article, Google translation: > Jayson Hill recently stopped by his old apartment. He didn't fee…

Do people actually care about seeing drug deals? what's the problem?

I think it’s pretty naive to assume people having a problem with drug deals happening in their neighborhood are primarily concerned with the drugs themselves — although some may have moralist reasons to feel uncomfortable with illicit drug trading, most regular people probably feel that way due to the inescapable consequences of it, which are many. Some examples include violent crime, burglaries, robberies, and the general discomfort of being around people on a daily basis who are chemically dependent on a drug they need to take on an interval and usually because of it desperate for money, sometimes with psychological issues on top of it.

Having a serious problem with drugs in your area does not mean some people buying weed every now and then. It infects and ruins entire communities due to the effects of extremely addictive narcotics.

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Post by colinmhayes » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 8:50 PM UTC

hnarn wrote: post #338

colinmhayes wrote: post #315

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Do people actually care about seeing drug deals? what's the problem?

I think it’s pretty naive to assume people having a problem with drug deals happening in their neighborhood are primarily concerned with the drugs themselves — although some may have moralist reasons to feel uncomfortable with illicit drug trading, most regular people probably feel that way due to the inescapable consequences of it, which are many. Some examples include violent crime, burglaries, robberies, and the g…

I mean people are going to take drugs either way right? Let's not pretend rural America doesn't struggle with addiction. I guess I can see the "out of sight out of mind" that seeing the transaction occur reminds you of societies failures, but you still know it's happening.

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Post by hnarn » Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 8:54 PM UTC

colinmhayes wrote: post #339

hnarn wrote: post #338

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I think it’s pretty naive to assume people having a problem with drug deals happening in their neighborhood are primarily concerned with the drugs themselves — although some may have moralist reasons to feel uncomfortable with illicit drug trading, most regular people probably feel that way due to the inescapable consequences of it, which are many. Some examples include violent crime, burglaries, robberies, and the g…

I mean people are going to take drugs either way right? Let's not pretend rural America doesn't struggle with addiction. I guess I can see the "out of sight out of mind" that seeing the transaction occur reminds you of societies failures, but you still know it's happening.

I don’t mean for this to sound blunt but your perspective sounds like one that can only be held by someone who has no experience of living in these types of areas.