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Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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post #418

Of note: the iPhone 12 mini appears to be slightly smaller and lighter than the (current) iPhone SE (2), so is basically the phone those of us who prefer phone-sized phones have been asking for for years. The price differential of $300 seems reasonable (in Apple-adjusted numbers); if I hadn't bought an SE this past month (unfortunate toddler-related water incident!) then I'd be right in there.

I just bought an SE about a month ago too. Damn.

Why? It's been leaked for ages that the iPhone announcement were coming this month.

I'm only asking because you added Damn as if you were disappointed in your timing. I've been holding off waiting to see if the 12 was going to be something I'd be interested in, or just waiting for the 11 series prices to drop. My 6S+ works fine, but the capacity is too small.

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

#562

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about not using it, it's that most people already have at least one (if not a small pile) of power adapter blocks with USB input already.

Right, I have gobs of them too... but they’re all USB type A, so the included USB C cable with the iPhone 12 is kinda weird. People don’t have many USB C bricks yet. So I don’t think the logic of “people have them already” checks out

A lot of people have USB A Lightning cables already.

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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post #149

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Apple is tearing me apart between Mini’s size and Pro Max camera.

The way I avoid stressing about this is by realizing that the iPhone camera is still way worse than a real dedicated camera with a large optical path (lens and sensor). If you care about good photos, the Pro Max won't get you that far in the grand scheme of things.

This isn't as generally true as you seem to think it is. There are absolutely a few situations where a mirrorless / DSLR camera is going to run circles around a smartphone camera, but fewer than you might think.

A mirrorless camera may have a wider dynamic range by default, but modern iPhones have incredible Smart HDR capabilities that actually work really well. With a mirrorless, they can do an auto HDR effect using several photos, but it's a much simpler effect, and you can't get RAW photos when using that. The new iPhone 12 will capture RAW photos even when applying Deep Fusion and other advanced techniques, from what they mentioned on stage today.

I'm fairly sure no common mirrorless camera is going to be able to do HDR video at the level that the iPhone 12 will do it.

If Apple or Google would make a mirrorless camera that combined their intelligent camera software with a larger sensor, that would be epic. Right now, there are always trade-offs, no matter which camera you pick.

I've thought about getting a mirrorless camera to have that massive sensor for night photography, and to have the variety of lenses, but it's a lot of money for something substantial to have to carry around, and the difference just isn't what it used to be.

Even if you're printing these photos, an iPhone 12 is going to be able to take a lot of really crisp, excellent photos. With the help of LiDAR, I think the 12 Pro will be able to create a really compelling portrait mode effect that's less glitchy than the current techniques that don't have an accurate depth map instantly available.

Computational photography is a real thing, and it's impressive how much they have made up for the lack of physical space that would be required for a giant sensor.

If you scroll back on this twitter feed, you can see some nice examples of pictures shot on iPhone by various people: https://twitter.com/halidecamera

They're not "nice for a smartphone" pictures. They're just good pictures.

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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post #177

"Across the iPhone family, we’re removing the power adapter and EarPods that often go unused, but including the fast-charging USB‑C to Lightning cable that most people need." Ouch. Do most people really not use the power adapter?

The included power adapter is really bad (1A, USB-A). Currently nearly all my devices charging via USB-C, except my company provided iPhone. I just bought a USB-C to lightning cable so I can charge it via my Macbook or Pixel charger

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

#565
I feel we need to talk about the charger. It is not included in the box. The reasoning is that we have our chargers from previous iPhones. But those white boxes all take USB-A. The included cable is USB-C. Never mind, I will just use the USB-C charger from other devices. But wait... the cable that comes in the box is USB-C male and those adapters from other devices don't take USB-C (either fixed cable, or USB-A, or non-standard female port).

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

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MagSafe is really cool, but I'm incredibly disappointed they're sticking with lightning...

Give it a year (or two)! They probably want to go straight to full MagSafe rather than USB-C. However, if they drop Lightning right now, nobody will be able to charge their phones. It'll take a year or two for magsafe/Qi/etc to be ubiquitous enough that they'll feel comfortable dropping lightning.

would probably be a lot easier to go full water proof with no usb connector

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

#567

I feel we need to talk about the charger. It is not included in the box. The reasoning is that we have our chargers from previous iPhones. But those white boxes all take USB-A. The included cable is USB-C. Never mind, I will just use the USB-C charger from other devices. But wait... the cable that comes in the box is USB-C male and those adapters from other devices don't take USB-C (either fixed cable, or USB-A, or n…

Seems like those who need it will just pick up some of these: https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B079LYHNSR/

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

#568
post #85

"The iPhone mini fits in the palm of you hand" lol. It's interesting that a reasonably sized phone is now a selling point in itself. In general i like keeping my devices for as long as possible - so when i jumped from the iPhone 6 to the iPhone 10, i was surprised to learn that the phone was hard to use with one hand now, extremely slippery and way, way heavier than my iphone 6. The mini seems like a good size for me…

I'm blown away that 5.4" is "mini". I'd pay decent money for a 4" phone.

The iPhone 4 width was 2.31 inches.

The iPhone 12 mini's width is 2.65 inches.

It's not insanely bigger.

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

#569

Interesting factoid from the footnote: iPhone 12 mini has not been authorized as required by the rules of the Federal Communications Commission. iPhone 12 mini is not, and may not be, offered for sale or lease, or sold or leased, until authorization is obtained.

(We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24768339.)

Re: iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro

#570

Zero photos where you can actually see how thick the bezels are on the 12 Pro's product page. Guess it's safe to assume it'll be pretty disappointing considering how much they talked about thinner bezels.

(We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24768339.)
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