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Re: When thebiglebow.ski is blocked by Facebook

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>That's like saying car manufacturers need to be charged for offloading automotive deaths on society. Devil's advocate but why shouldn't they? At the end of the day _someone_ has to bear that cost, why should we force society at large to deal with issues that arise as a result of a small group of people finding a new way to enrich themselves?

> Devil's advocate but why shouldn't they? Because they aren't making the choices that result in the deaths. If you force the industry to pay for the negative externalities of the industry, the fixes/costs can be baked into the product ( e.g. , safety equipment, emissions standards). If you force the industry to pay for things that are the result of government ( e.g. overly-permissive licensing standards, building la…

In practical terms I absolutely do agree with you. People collectively respond to whatever incentives they're allowed to, you _do_ get riskier behavior when you reduce individual responsibility for actions. If you'll forgive me for going on a wide ranting tangent though, consider the following:

>Because they aren't making the choices that result in the deaths.

I've yet to see compelling evidence that "free will" actually exists, I think it's just a convenient moral abstraction we've developed to grease the wheels of the world. Supposing it doesn't exist, how could we make a just high-functioning society? One that recognizes my hypothesis regarding the illlegitimacy of absolute individual responsibility while also resulting in equal or better collective behavior?

Going back towards the car example, I don't think hammer manufacturers should bear responsibility for the apocryphal homicidal misuse of their tools since removing a hammer from a toolbox just means the crime would be committed with a knife or rocks in a sock. This argument gets blurrier when you consider firearms manufacturers where the explicit intent of the tool is often to kill. You can make a solid argument either way there.

So what about cars? They are involved in roughly 100 fatalities a day in the united states. Were cars designed to kill? No (although we do have the case where a manufacturer decided it was cheaper to keep selling unsafe cars and just pay out lawsuits rather than fix their screwup). Manufacturers generally do what they can to make them safer with each passing year. Despite that though, society still has to bear the cost of tens of thousands of deaths per year and two orders of magnitude more injuries. Those injuries, fatal and nonfatal, would _not_ have happened in a world without cars. A portion of them would not have happened without car ads and popular culture that makes driving fast and irresponsibly look cool. It's convenient, sure, to place absolute blame on the people who don't think just watch cool car go zoom in tv then buy cool car on credit and go zoom into building. Doing what we do now and removing those people from society at that point is a viable solution, but what if we put more effort into not letting industrial psychologists develop good little consumers like that in the first place? The US is the "land of the free" with high levels of individual responsibility and we've got astronomical household debt and the world's highest proportion of our population incarcerated to show for it. I think we can do better.

Re: When thebiglebow.ski is blocked by Facebook

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>The website has all this time been incorrectly labelled “by our automated tools” as spam, according to the spokesperson. “Our apologies for the inconvenience.” It seems the large tech companies just have a policy to automate as much as possible and if it impacts some folks unfairly, that's just how it works and they've no interest in dealing with it unless it gets PR. Otherwise screw those little people. I had a dom…

> It seems the large tech companies just have a policy to automate as much as possible Mistakes happen at scale regardless of whether it's automated or human-controlled. Having actual humans do the work is hardly a magic bullet, because people make mistakes frequently as well. Worse yet, humans are more prone to being compromised or acting maliciously, such as in recent attacks on prominent companies. It's not so muc…

Having only 50k employees is something they control. Their Net income is ~20B/year at that’s enough to pay for about 1 million low level customer service agents.

I am not saying they need to do so, but the solution is to make it unnecessary to call not simply to have nobody to reach.

Re: When thebiglebow.ski is blocked by Facebook

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He should go to small claims court (or the Dutch equivalent) to get his 5 euros back. There was actually a case in Germany where the largest ISPs continously ignored a customer whom they charged too much at some point (similar order as the 5 euros) . The story ended with a court bailiff (?) going into the main ISP office and seizing a printer I believe. Big PR disaster and much higher cost then the original amount.

These big companies do these things all the time calculating on people just giving up. We should take the advantage of the courts to teach some lessons as much as possible.

Re: When thebiglebow.ski is blocked by Facebook

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It's the problem anyone who moderates a system faces, when the users vastly outnumbers the moderators your moderation has to have some level of opaqueness and unpredictability or else you have no chance of keeping up with people gaming the system.

Or you delegate. Grant trusted individuals power to moderate sub-communities. How do you ensure you select trusted individuals? Create institutional mechanisms with accountability and checks and balances; e.g. community voting to bestow time-limited power on individuals, and appeal boards to as a check on abuses of that power, and perhaps recall votes to remove someone. Opaqueness isn't the answer. Opaqueness leads t…

I want a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court of Facebook

Re: When thebiglebow.ski is blocked by Facebook

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Published under de Zwart's medium, but "Written by Reinier Kist." That's puzzling. Maybe de Zwart just kept pursuing up to the point that he paid a ghostwriter to blog something about it? Frustrating "experience", to be sure.

It was published in Dutch by Reiner Kist, and Hans himself translated it to English. It says so in the footer.

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>The website has all this time been incorrectly labelled “by our automated tools” as spam, according to the spokesperson. “Our apologies for the inconvenience.” It seems the large tech companies just have a policy to automate as much as possible and if it impacts some folks unfairly, that's just how it works and they've no interest in dealing with it unless it gets PR. Otherwise screw those little people. I had a dom…

Making things right 100% of the time costs a ton. Sometimes the business is willing to pay: something related to money or legal compliance, the serious stuff. Sometimes it's cheaper to have things work, say, 90% of time, and maybe manually fix some stuff when badly needed, on a best-effort basis. Often it's the only viable way. Usually, if there's no written contract, best-effort is the only treatment you can expect.…

I wouldn't categorize this as best-effort. This is why we need more consumer protections because I think any reasonable person can agree that this is not how consumers should be treated and we shouldn't normalize it by providing a flawed rationalization of "Google needs to make more money"

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It is capitalized when used without a first name. (and the author is Hans de Zwart)

More precisely: the first letter of a name is always capitalised. So in "Hans de Zwart", the 'H' is the first letter, and therefore capitalised. But in "De Zwart", the 'D' is the first letter, and therefore capitalised, even if it normally wouldn't be. There might be an exception to that if that letter is not part of a whole word. "De" is a word, but I once knew a guy whose last name was 't Zet . The "'t" is not a wo…

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Re: When thebiglebow.ski is blocked by Facebook

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I don't see the issue with reddit. People can vote with their feet if they don't like the local lords.

I'd say the issue with Reddit, in the context of this discussion, is that it doesn't work. For whatever reason you like, Reddit doesn't delegate the community to its moderators. It delegates the responsibilities, but not the rights. Reddit still has an overarching "community standards" and is thus, at that level, still just one big community, with the accompanying failure. The attempt to solve that with subreddits wa…

That may be somewhat due to policy changes. Reddit did try to be more hands-off in the past.

But perhaps a better example than reddit is the internet as a whole. ISP and hosters are dumb carriers and moderation is mostly left to the individual sites. Depending on your hoster it may take a court order for them to do anything at all.

In other words we need more platforms that put themselves front and center, avoiding that also avoids the reputation problems with a hands-off approach.

Re: When thebiglebow.ski is blocked by Facebook

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post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Making things right 100% of the time costs a ton. Sometimes the business is willing to pay: something related to money or legal compliance, the serious stuff. Sometimes it's cheaper to have things work, say, 90% of time, and maybe manually fix some stuff when badly needed, on a best-effort basis. Often it's the only viable way. Usually, if there's no written contract, best-effort is the only treatment you can expect.…

I wouldn't categorize this as best-effort. This is why we need more consumer protections because I think any reasonable person can agree that this is not how consumers should be treated and we shouldn't normalize it by providing a flawed rationalization of "Google needs to make more money"

If you are not paying for a service, should you expect the same protections?

If you do but implicitly (by sharing info good for ad targeting, etc), should it not be made explicit then? It should stop being "free" and legally become "free* (conditions apply)".

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