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Apple iPhone 12: The chip advance set to make smartphones smarter

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A funny things is that we keep hearing about US only tech power, but AMSL (NL), is needed by TSMC (TW) to engrave a reference design by ARM (UK). But US is going one more time to limit EU tech by getting its hand on both ARM and AMSL as they previously did with many EU tech companies... At one point EU should realize that the US are playing the same game as the Chinese and are really not business friend.

The EU knows this, but they will continue to comply with US trade sanctions until they can live without the US in all areas. A giant hurdle (but not the only one) is NATO and being able to counter Russia. While NATO and the EU are separate, many countries are members of both. If the EU took a hard stance and said that they value trade with China more than the US's security complaints, the US could very well use that…

> until they can live without the US in all areas.

The EU isn't necessarily worried it can't live without the US because the US wouldn't simply answer by withdrawing all support and embargoing the EU. They'd be shooting themselves in the other foot. But they would respond the way all superpowers do when direct, public intervention is not on the table. With subversion. If the NSA leaks have shown anything it's that even allies were thoroughly compromised and one button press away from a series of "unfortunate" events.

What's been recently dubbed "asymmetric warfare" has existed for decades. It's simply deniable attacks, economic or actual warfare via proxies, etc. Covertly supporting certain political candidates while subverting others in order to destabilize a country is in any superpower's playbook.

This is what the EU fears more than that it will suddenly have to face a Russian invasion without US support. For now it's a deal out of which the US gets far more than the rest. They get to cement their superpower status by having the most important and credible allies, and in exchange offer some protection and the promise of not shooting said allies in the foot... maybe just whack them over the shin once in a while.

It's also cheaper to let the US do its military thing and be a bodyguard, and that means the EU can focus on more important social issues. Maybe it's a small price to pay, maybe not. Some future generation will have to answer that.

Re: Apple iPhone 12: The chip advance set to make smartphones smarter

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Cool tech. And I'm all for making integrated circuits and components more dense and space efficient. But I also wish that wouldn't result in the devices getting unreasonably thin/fragile. I'd rather have a sturdier device with 2-3x the battery capacity any day. As it is, I put a bulky case/screen protector and carry a spare battery and cable. Not exactly an ideal solution.

There's some phone manufacturers that optimize for battery capacity and / or sturdiness; CAT has lent their brand to stupidly sturdy phones that can be yote freely (https://www.catphones.com/).

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Well, super interesting, in that it is the first time I'd heard of a tin plasma laser (produces the EUV)!

If you think about it, it's deeply depressing how much incredibly interesting technology (and cumulative human effort) goes into portable computing devices that have the primary commercial purpose of forcing people to look at advertising. There's something deeply wrong when the best purpose humanity can find for all the effort that goes into things like 5G and EUV lithography is to use it to keep people addicted to F…

I believe that's the initial, scribbled signature of homo sapiens and post-modernism. We're past survival and aware enough to know something is up, but highly susceptible to our instincts and especially to control by others.

While we could survive with so little work, others keep us in artifical scarcity to elevate their quality of life and protect themselves from people more predatory than them.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again this shareholder nationality things? (A Japanese shareholder don’t make ARM a Japanese company). Because by this metric a lot of US companies are not US... (a couple of them can even be Norwegian or Saudi despite having no presence were there shareholders resides).

I've been involved with many international groups where the controlling shareholders have a different domicile to the operating company. The shareholders will always call the shots. They can replace operating teams, restructure the business and transfer technology. The ultimate shareholder has control - have absolutely no doubt about that.

From an economic perspective that's not really the issue, it's the facilities, employment, skills and access to technology that governments mainly care about. Who the owner is only really matters to the extent that it influences those facts on the ground. Any owner could move the company's operations, no matter what their nationality.

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A funny things is that we keep hearing about US only tech power, but AMSL (NL), is needed by TSMC (TW) to engrave a reference design by ARM (UK). But US is going one more time to limit EU tech by getting its hand on both ARM and AMSL as they previously did with many EU tech companies... At one point EU should realize that the US are playing the same game as the Chinese and are really not business friend.

> At one point EU should realize that the US are playing the same game as the Chinese and are really not business friend. While I (as a German) agree that the US imperialism and dominance in high tech is a problem, I would not go as low and say the US is on the same level as China, which is an outright threat to all core values of the Western nations.

yes, for one thing German companies can and do purchase and operate US subsidiaries without much government interference, unlike in China

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Will be interesting when Biden is elected and pulls back on all this anti-China stuff.

I don't think the anti-China stuff is going away regardless of the election. Maybe some of the more egregious footgun stuff and the more petty sanctions and goading that are mainly for show, but the fact is there have been brewing disputes with China for a long time and Trump has brought them to a head.

However beating down on China over their behaviour only achieves anything if it changes that behaviour, otherwise what the heck are we doing? I don't think Trump has it in him to actually solve those problems. I'm not entirely sure Biden does either, but even if he doesn't at least there's a chance he might listen to people who do.

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OK so I hope to br proven wrong, but the stats for the iPad Air don't really back this up being such a big deal.

They compare it to the A12 for a start rather than the A13 of last year, so it can't be that big of a leap. Plus it's clocked faster which would account for almost all of the increase in performance from the A13. I'm sure it's a solid new chip - as always - but I see no evidence of a particularly massive revolution this year, in the iPhone or iPad Air.

Of course the rumoured 16 core version for MacBook (maybe iPad Pro too?) is a different matter! That's where I'm excited.

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> That it has been, is in large part down to the ingenuity of a relatively obscure Dutch company - ASML. I hope they charge Apple 30% for every phone sold.

ASML's revenue has tripled since 2007 - [0]. Stock price increased ten fold. I'm sure they don't complain about how things turn out for them thanks to the proliferation of mobile devices after iPhone. [0]- https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/ASML/asml-holding/...

> I'm sure they don't complain about how things turn out for them

Apple also shouldn't complain, but still they let the consumer pay twice: once for the phone, and then the tax.

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