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A 20-year-old CRT monitor can be better than a 4K LCD (2019)

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Post by deergomoo »

nezgar wrote: post #270
deergomoo wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m fine with 60 but I’m in a PAL region so all of my 90s consoles run at 50Hz. That is seriously uncomfortable to look at now and I have no idea how we all put up with it.

May not have been bad in the earlier sets as they would have used phosphors that persisted longer to compensate, but later on, manufacturing costs were driven down and the same tubes/coatings from 60hz sets were being used in 50hz sets, making the flicker much more apparent.

I'm using a PVM so it's high end kit, however perhaps because it also supports 60Hz they are unable to use the longer-glowing phosphors?

Re: A 20-year-old CRT monitor can be better than a 4K LCD (2019)

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Post by lwouis »

badsectoracula wrote: post #131
ChuckMcM wrote: post #97

Heh, everything is better on Tubes whether it is guitar amps or gaming monitors? :-) I can pretty much assure you that with a 240Hz refresh rate 4K LCD monitor it will look better than your CRT :-) But it is perfectly valid to say "What is the best experience I can get for $X?" and find that CRT solutions out perform LCD solutions at various price points. That said, I suspect it is less about the "superiority" of the…

> I can pretty much assure you that with a 240Hz refresh rate 4K LCD monitor it will look better than your CRT :-) Since you bring up the refresh rate, then i'd assume that you include motion in the "look better" - in which case, i can easily respond with "no, it absolutely does not". I have a CRT next to me which can do 120Hz at 640x480 (which is a low resolution but the CRT is also very small and i use it on a mid-…

I recently got to experience a 240hz IPS monitor. Colors and viewing angles are way better than the 120hz TN monitor i had in the past.

That said, even at 240hz, motion is still blurry. If i move a window and try to read text in it in motion it's still not smooth like real life.

I wish i could experience a Trinitron CRT to compare the motion resolution! On Digital Foundry they make it sounds as you do: amazing. I wish i could judge for myself

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Post by account42 »

ricardobeat wrote: post #190
denkmoon wrote: post #188

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That 240hz panel will have terrible colour reproduction compared to the CRT. Only TN panels are clocked that fast, and TN are ugly. If you want nicer colours you go for IPS, which has a very slow response time (especially when compared to a CRT). The only modern display technology that comes close to CRT in terms of colour, contrast and responsiveness, you need to go OLED. And that's great (Oled with scanline emulati…

Tech changes fast. Nano-IPS 144hz IPS panels are becoming common now, with upper 90s DCI-P3 coverage, something you'd only dream of a few years ago.

And their contrast is still shit.

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Post by account42 »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #192
denkmoon wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That 240hz panel will have terrible colour reproduction compared to the CRT. Only TN panels are clocked that fast, and TN are ugly. If you want nicer colours you go for IPS, which has a very slow response time (especially when compared to a CRT). The only modern display technology that comes close to CRT in terms of colour, contrast and responsiveness, you need to go OLED. And that's great (Oled with scanline emulati…

These are solid points, the IPS stuff is getting better though. And if there is a miniled salesman out there he will be calling :-), it promises all the win of OLED and none of the downside. There was also the tech which was basically an array of really small 1-pixel CRTs, it is too bad they couldn't get that to scale to the pixel densities of OLED.

> IPS stuff is getting better though

Not when it comes to contrast. There has been pretty much no improvement on IPS black levels over the past years.

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Post by elric »

jaimex2 wrote: post #228
elric wrote: post #21

I remember reading something by John Carmack back in the early Oculus days, where he was basically saying he wished he could use small CRTs in VR headsets for many of the same reasons the article highlights.

What stopped him?

Not sure. At a guess, weight? And I'm guessing no one was making CRTs small enough to be practical? Maybe power requirements?

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Post by hedberg10 »

jyoshi wrote: post #145
tuxracer wrote: post #139

Please don't let CRTs come back in style. After a while they tend to develop this headache inducing high pitched tone almost akin to tinnitus that is emitted constantly while they're powered on. It seems to be so high pitched most people cannot hear it at all but if you're one of the lucky few who can it can actually be really disruptive. Unfortunately it's also often loud enough to hear through doors, walls, etc...…

For the longest while I used this to tell my friends in high school I had a mini-superpower. Because I knew when there was a television on in the house, and somehow none of them heard it. There is an old telly in my apartment, I turned it on to test it last week and heard the tone again, must have been like 18+ years since I last turned one of those on. It never gave me headaches but I definitely heard (and still hea…

Holy shit, I wasn't crazy all those years

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Post by dghughes »

LocalH wrote: post #127
dghughes wrote: post #73

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I remember when I switched from a CRT to an LCD monitor. The difference was so dramatic I remember my head aching. For me it wasn't the brightness it was the curve vs flat. Going from looking at a curved screen for years to a flat one was a massive change.

Out of curiosity, did you ever have similar issues with flat CRTs?

I had a flat CRT TV a 30-ish Toshiba widescreen. But I was seated on a couch ten feet away so no problems there. I never had a flat CRT computer monitor.

I think my reaction was due to being so close to the computer CRT monitor. My brain had adjusted to the curve but when I got the LCD I felt like I was going to throw up I felt so disoriented. It took about a week to get over it.

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