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Re: Police killings more likely in agencies that get military gear, data shows

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If you require a firearm, and you can buy a military surplus weapon which is cheaper than a new "civilian" firearm, wouldn't you?

Based on the study, it seems like the answer is "yes" for violent police departments and "no" for everyone else.

Not exactly, surplus weapons are really popular among civilians.

Re: Police killings more likely in agencies that get military gear, data shows

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The problem with your logic here is it makes the line between police and the military incredibly blurry to the point where police become just another type of military personnel. Maybe if you have criminal activity at the level of needing automatic weapons, then you need military intervention and not police. As many ex-military have pointed out in various forums, even in war situations rules of engagement for soldiers…

How does "protect and serve" not include removing dangerous, violent criminals from society?. To do so you need efficient weaponry and tactics that differ from conventional warfare. Does every police officer need to be equipped with such firepower? No, but police forces around the world facing these threats tend to have an intermediate (or more) group for dealing with threats that fall between petty thievery and terr…

Are you taking about actual real need in cities or a fantasy? It sounds flippant, but other counties don't need such ammo.

The murder clearance rates are low, corruption seem to be persistent problem and actual police work does not actually seem to involve attacking actual super armed gangs.

Re: Police killings more likely in agencies that get military gear, data shows

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Based on the study, it seems like the answer is "yes" for violent police departments and "no" for everyone else.

There’s not much technical difference in “military rifles” from civilian AR15 other than military version has an extra pin and the finger groove

On the other hand, there's presumably a significant technical difference between police cars and mine-resistant vehicles created for military operations in the Middle East.

Re: Police killings more likely in agencies that get military gear, data shows

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Based on the study, it seems like the answer is "yes" for violent police departments and "no" for everyone else.

Not exactly, surplus weapons are really popular among civilians.

We are talking about police.

Re: Police killings more likely in agencies that get military gear, data shows

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Data also shows African Americans to murder more than white people.

Yes because systemic racism means they have less chance of getting a good education, less chance of getting good careers, higher chances of ending up in prison and with a criminal record after a cop encounter, and in the end, a higher chance of having a life of crime. Including murder.

But I'm sure you have data to show that America is land of the free and equal...

Re: Police killings more likely in agencies that get military gear, data shows

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>APCs are not "purely defensive". They're an intimidating presence In that case, they can paint them pink.

But they won't. Because they wouldn't look intimidating.

No, it's probably because you people would still complain about them.

Re: Police killings more likely in agencies that get military gear, data shows

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> Regardless, there is no need, ever, for police to have the automatic weapons, APCs, and "non-lethal" weapons they are buying from the military. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout is the catalyst for all of this. Police were heavily outgunned. The FBI would take hours to get there as FBI tactical teams are not in most cities and are not on call like normal SWAT teams are. APCs are purely defensiv…

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout is the catalyst for all of this. Police were heavily outgunned. And yet the only two people who died were the two bank robbers. It sounds like the police were able to eventually take control of the situation even while heavily outgunned. So does adding more firepower on the side of police actually provide more safety when this is an example of the worst case sc…

That was two guys on foot whose objective was only to escape. There are many worse scenarios than that.

Re: Police killings more likely in agencies that get military gear, data shows

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Plural? Like one could make sense, in a siege type situation or bank robbery in progress perhaps. The sort of event that might happen once a decade or so maybe. But how many sieges or bank robberies are they expecting to need multiple of these?!

Bank robberies used to be more common, but inflation basically took care of that https://arstechnica.com/science/2012/06/economists-demonstra...

Thanks for the interesting link. Ars at its best. Though my interpretation of the article is more that the risk / reward ratio simply has become too poor, nothing to do with inflation.

I suppose it is easier to rob a 150k watch from an unprotected person on the street, of hold up a Chinese tourist (who often have their holiday money in cash), if you're into that sort of thing.

Re: Police killings more likely in agencies that get military gear, data shows

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We should be careful to draw a causal relationship here. It might not be that getting the military equipment causes police to be more aggressive and therefore have more killings. It might instead be that the more aggressive police departments are the ones that more seek to purchase military equipment, and the more aggressive police are the ones with more killings. I tend to think that's the case. Regardless, there is…

ATF has a terrible track record with this type of stuff (and other things too).

Re: Police killings more likely in agencies that get military gear, data shows

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Police in Georgia literally throw hand grenades into the cribs of sleeping babies and get away with it. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-georgia-deputy-acqui...

People conveniently leave out that it was the front door of a suspected drug dealer who had a previous weapons charge and had guards. https://www.cnn.com/2014/05/30/us/georgia-toddler-injured-st... So the suspected drug dealer was using the baby as a human shield.

Your article does not support your assertion:

> Because the suspected drug dealer, Wanis Thonetheva, had a previous weapons charge, officers were issued a "no-knock warrant" for the residence, Terrell said.

> Thonetheva, 30, was not at the home at the time of the raid, but the toddler's mother and father and their other three children were inside.

Not only was the raid unannounced, but the suspected drug dealer wasn't even home at the time.

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