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Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Someone who has both a child, and a Ferrari.

does it have a back seat?

Ferraris having back seats goes back to the early days of the marque: https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/g6602/ferrari-four-... Not all, of course, but many do.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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A lot of readers here, and on Reddit seem to be misunderstanding the situation. The way I understand it, this car was taken in by a garage for 'seat installation'. I presume this means after market seats. The car disabled itself during installation. The OP assumed due to an anti-temper device, but it could have been any failure mode. Most modern cars with airbags will have sensors in the seats to disable some of the…

>The fact that the manufacturer can remote into their cars, does not automatically mean that the car is vulnerable to remote hacking If your car can connect to the internet it's vulnerable to hacking via the internet. My car, which is incapable of connecting to the internet suffers no such potential for abuse.

Theoretically if the systems are properly decoupled and airgapped than the hacking surface area should be quite low. You might be able to hijack the music coming through the speakers, but you should never be able to control the brakes over the internet.

In real life is that what actually happens? Sadly, no. Car companies seem to make a lot of bone-headed systems engineering design decisions (such as having a computer network path connecting infotainment to critical safety systems)

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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> The way I understand it, this car was taken in by a garage for 'seat installation'. I presume this means after market seats. It was even more basic than that. They were installing a child's carseat for the owner, and I believe it was an anti-theft system that was triggered. The story reminded me a lot of the rental car that bricked itself because it lost cellular service - https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/02/drive…

Who puts a child’s carseat in a Ferrari?

Someone hoping for their super -ego to come along and be suitably impressed?

I have never shaken the most ridiculous way I mistake the nature and purpose of the ego, I presume because of its commonly attributed definition for being precisely the opposite of what my mind always first assumes the ego is on about. Of course the ego isn't the wild uninhibited and self indulgent fool of colloquial speech, in which we regard the proverbial enormity of a person's ego, to mean that they're beyond the pale. But it just doesn't sound right to exclaim "woa! The ^id/^ on that man!

I like to imagine the arguments that a prospective first time Ferrari buyer's possessed with : the age and social status of the average buyer who isn't a dedicated tifoso or otherwise predisposed by profession, sporting or wealth, to buy their first Ferrari, I wouldn't want to bet isn't a highly successful and rational human being. This is the marketing book that I always wanted to read : Inside the mind of the man about to sign for his first Ferrari : Everything you aren't twisted enough to make up for a question, answered." Something has always suggested to me that the reasons are highly specific and individual.

Incidentally whatever is the owner thinking, in the days of tractor EULAs to fit a unauthorised safety device? This part doesn't concur with my customer profile at all. Do performance car manufacturers (or dealers, rather) stoop to set up such low FUD?

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Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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First, some models do. I don't know about that particular one, because (shockingly) I don't own a Ferrari. But second, that doesn't matter. Most places do not have laws that prohibit children in the front seat of cars, only that they use appropriate child seats. Further, child seats are typically required for _children_, not just infants. IIRC, for example, in Texas, child seats are required for any child under the a…

except that child seats are mostly safety theater, of course

If you've ever tried to buckle a toddler into a standard 3 point belt made for adults, you'll see that the lap belt goes directly across their throat.

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> ...just toe your car outside... Hehe I wouldn't normally pick up on typos but this a great one - "tow" your car outside, unless maybe you're planning to kick it out there :-)

Don't know about the mass of this particular car, but I once started an Integra with a dead battery by "skateboarding" it: pushing with the driver's door open and then scooting in to throw it into third once I had enough momentum.

I once came across a couple of people trying to do that with their car on my way home from the pub. Problem was neither of them had any clue how to do it properly. I jumped into the drivers seat and had it running a few moments later.

Only a little while later did it occur to me that what I did was probably illegal in at least 3 different ways.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Serious question: I think there is a market for a dirt-simple, stripped down car like the original Jeep. If capitalism is so swift, why is the product I want to buy not on offer? Answer: the market is captured, and controlled via government regulation, by corporations that do not see individual owners wrenching on their cars as advantageous. Follow-up: how do we restore capitalism to our (nominally) free market?

Crowd source a Build-Your-Own-Car model kit?

It's called wikispeed. Search for it.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Imagine doing that on a busy public highway for a wired.com article ... 'we did it in a safe way' They had no control over the cars behind, anything could have happened. Their attack could have been demonstrated on a parking lot or private road. Their information did need urgently sharing, and while I understand the common need for a bit for drama, this was utterly unsafe & for the good of everyone I hope they've pul…

Just for clarity because this Jeep example comes up quite often when talking about cars: I don't know any vehicle with connectivity (other than Jeep and maybe Ford?), which does not have safety critical CAN/FlexRay buses segregated from driver facing 'infotainment' systems. What that means is that the network bus in which your 'compromised' infotainment system is able to operate is completely separate from Engine, AB…

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Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Some do. https://www.ferrari.com/en-US/auto/gtc4lusso But what difference does that make? Why couldn't you put a car seat in the front passenger seat of a two-seater?

LMGTFY: https://www.cdc.gov/injury/features/child-passenger-safety/i... . > Buckle all children aged 12 and under in the back seat. > - Airbags can kill young children riding in the front seat. Never place a rear-facing car seat in front of an airbag.

Many modern cars have the ability to disable the front passenger airbag, for when you do need/want to put the seat in the front.

And, for some cars, the front seat is safer for everyone, including children, thanks to the focus on improving the safety ratings for front seat passengers (which are often advertised) [1]. For example, my car last car had side curtain airbags only in the front.

On average, especially with older cars, I assume the CDC is probably right. Their recommendations necessarily have to be the most useful for the average/masses.

1. https://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/study-shows-back-s...

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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post #124

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Some do. https://www.ferrari.com/en-US/auto/gtc4lusso But what difference does that make? Why couldn't you put a car seat in the front passenger seat of a two-seater?

Airbags are not designed with the bodies of children or infants in rear-facing carseats in mind. They're actually really dangerous for them - potentially lethal.

> Airbags are not designed with the bodies of children or infants in rear-facing carseats in mind.

According to FMVSS 208, they're tested using an unbelted 50th percentile size male dummy. That's the reason they deploy with more force and are triggered at lower impact speed had they been designed with belted occupants of varying sizes in mind.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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First, some models do. I don't know about that particular one, because (shockingly) I don't own a Ferrari. But second, that doesn't matter. Most places do not have laws that prohibit children in the front seat of cars, only that they use appropriate child seats. Further, child seats are typically required for _children_, not just infants. IIRC, for example, in Texas, child seats are required for any child under the a…

except that child seats are mostly safety theater, of course

Absolutely not the case. A 5 point harness is best. A car seat converts two or three point harness to a 5 point. Which is great, because those soft little bodies need as many touch points as is possible to spread the load of force. We know for a fact that the 5 point harness is the best, that is why race car drivers use 5 point harnesses instead of lap belts.

The three point harness is a good compromise between the uselessness of a lap belt and the incovinience of a 5 point harness. But its certainly not as good as a 5. Point harness.

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