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Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by brigade »

LeonM wrote: post #70

A lot of readers here, and on Reddit seem to be misunderstanding the situation. The way I understand it, this car was taken in by a garage for 'seat installation'. I presume this means after market seats. The car disabled itself during installation. The OP assumed due to an anti-temper device, but it could have been any failure mode. Most modern cars with airbags will have sensors in the seats to disable some of the…

> A certified dealership will have the computer interface and software to reset the fault mode. For those that do not have this software, Ferrari can remote into the car and reset it for you.

Ferrari actually flew a technician in to visit this car, who then said "yep, nothing I can do here." Then they had to push it out and tow it.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by saiya-jin »

nrmitchi wrote: post #146
cornstalks wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LMGTFY: https://www.cdc.gov/injury/features/child-passenger-safety/i... . > Buckle all children aged 12 and under in the back seat. > - Airbags can kill young children riding in the front seat. Never place a rear-facing car seat in front of an airbag.

Not all child seats are rear-facing child seats.

No but for tiny little newborns, all are. Something about not having proper muscle structure around spine to handle thrust forward during frontal (most common) crash. Also reason why you should never shake babies or expose them to any form of higher G.

We're changing the child seat to front facing right now - our baby is 10 months old. It can be done little bit earlier but not too much.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by rcostin2k2 »

short_sells_poo wrote: post #5
sandworm101 wrote: post #2

No sympathy. Park at 45* across two spaces, even astride smaller motorcycle-sized spots, and you have lost all rights to complain about anything.

How do you know the person in question isn't renting both spots? And unfortunately renting two spots is often a requirement in Europe for example because the lot sizes tend to be so small that it is impossible to park with a wide car otherwise.

According to an update on the same forum [1], the car stopped exactly in front of the warehouse's doors. And three hours ago, it was towed away, after the Ferrari technician flown from Sydney was not able to unlock the engine [2].

[1] https://old.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/j9ji...

[2] https://old.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/j9qn...

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by compiler-guy »

Retric wrote: post #128
mysterydip wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if the only allowable connection is the legitimate manufacturer's, the manufacturer itself could be compromised one day (if not already), allowing malicious commands to be sent on the trusted downlink. Or an "oops I found a bug in the code you just pushed to 100,000 cars" could happen accodentally.

It’s unlikely but possible for an over the airway connection to actually be inherently secure. One example is an isolated system that could monitor say engine temperatures and oil pressure and nothing else.

That sort of system is totally _possible_, but not the way any modern automotive connectivity works.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by gambiting »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #123
pmontra wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Failure modes and effect analysis [1] or let me do a computer security analogy: threat model. A desert should be considered for a Toyota Landcruiser, for a Ferrari it would be a low probability cell of the matrix. Stuck in a tunnel underground? More likely to happen. In a concrete building with people tampering the car? Even more likely. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failure_mode_and_effects_analy...

But then you also have to consider the consequence of the failure. Failure of anti-theft, car is stolen and owner files insurance claim. Failure of vehicle in desolate area, high probability of fatality for driver and occupants.

Ok, but again, that applies to literally any anti-theft system. Like for instance ignition lockout is extremely common on fancier cars, if that system fails for any reason you can't start the car. If you're stuck in a middle of a glacier in your fancy Ferrari then you're screwed. Again, remember that this was triggered when they were taking the seats out of the car,like, come on, that's a "huh, interesting" case , not "huh, someone needs to do something about this" case.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by ranger207 »

bigwavedave wrote: post #71
coding_unit_1 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The posts on reddit said it went into some uber-lockdown because it also didn't have reception so even adding cell or wifi repeaters wouldn't have worked. My guess is this some serious anti-theft for when your very expensive car gets stuffed in a shipping container - it bricks itself until you present it physically at a dealer (at which point you'd hope it gets flagged as stolen).

For my own edification, would you mind linking these posts you're referencing? The only comments on the reddit thread that I can find that say anything like that admit they're speculating, as opposed to the actual post which says the only thing that cell reception has to do with this is that the remote team can't access it remotely without cell reception (which is a no-brainer). This might be a more contrived example…

Here's the OP's comment from the final update:

>>They couldn't do the remote reset once it was outside? I thought that was the original issue

>Oh yeah, so nope. The fact it had no signal at the time of the tamper safeguard being triggered meant that remote recovery wasn't an option, even when we moved it into the open. Idk, an extra layer of theft protection I suppose.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/j9qn...

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by compiler-guy »

pmontra wrote: post #96
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The situation in here is more like "haha, ok, we just need to tow this thing out of the garage and try again" - no big deal. No big deal when the reason you can't get a signal is that you're in a parking garage. Rather more of a life-threatening defect when the reason you can't get a signal is that you're driving through an unpopulated desert where there are no cell towers or other people.

Failure modes and effect analysis [1] or let me do a computer security analogy: threat model. A desert should be considered for a Toyota Landcruiser, for a Ferrari it would be a low probability cell of the matrix. Stuck in a tunnel underground? More likely to happen. In a concrete building with people tampering the car? Even more likely. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failure_mode_and_effects_analy...

"Deserted desert" doesn't make much sense for a failure mode for a Ferrari, but off the top of my head I can think of half-a-dozen locations where it would both be super-fun to drive a Ferrari and that don't get cell coverage. All of these less than an hours drive from a major city.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by djpr »

olivermarks wrote: post #141

This is such a vague reddit piece it's very hard to understand if the car is truly bricked or just needs to be towed to a place with signal. As a broader issue independent car repair garages are dying fast as more and more cars are manufactured with inaccessible DRM coupled with very expensive handshake hardware and software only dealers can own. This is a huge problem quite aside from the issue of what happens when…

From the author of the thread, apparently no, towed to a place with a signal is not an option:

"Oh yeah, so nope. The fact it had no signal at the time of the tamper safeguard being triggered meant that remote recovery wasn't an option, even when we moved it into the open. Idk, an extra layer of theft protection I suppose."

https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/j9qn...

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by jankiehodgpodge »

kofejnik wrote: post #158
nrmitchi wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, some models do. I don't know about that particular one, because (shockingly) I don't own a Ferrari. But second, that doesn't matter. Most places do not have laws that prohibit children in the front seat of cars, only that they use appropriate child seats. Further, child seats are typically required for _children_, not just infants. IIRC, for example, in Texas, child seats are required for any child under the a…

except that child seats are mostly safety theater, of course

Is there any evidence for that? I know that for example women are more likely to be injured in car crashes because most car seats/interiors are designed around the average man so if be surprised if a human half didn't need to be raised or put in a safer position.

Re: Ferrari is bricked during upgrade due to no mobile reception while underground

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Post by JKCalhoun »

LeonM wrote: post #70

A lot of readers here, and on Reddit seem to be misunderstanding the situation. The way I understand it, this car was taken in by a garage for 'seat installation'. I presume this means after market seats. The car disabled itself during installation. The OP assumed due to an anti-temper device, but it could have been any failure mode. Most modern cars with airbags will have sensors in the seats to disable some of the…

The way I understand it: "smart" everything is getting too clever for its own good.

In your example, why not have a push-button override to allow the car to reset after seat installation?

Soft-everything. I miss my hardware switches.

- signed getting grumpy, getting old man

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