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The Death of the Full Moon Party

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Re: The Death of the Full Moon Party

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Wow. A quick glance at the picture shows about a million guys and 4 girls, I think. I believe this party would have died of natural causes after a while. I can't imagine it would go on organically.

Contrary to popular belief, not all parties are held in order to find ephemeral sexual mates.

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I've been living on Koh Phangan since March. AMA

What have all the Western Scuba instructors been up to during the pandemic?

7 year Koh Phangan resident here.

Like the rest of us. From march to June the whole island just stayed at home in volunteer self-quarantine. Because of that Corona never arrived here and life is sort of returned to normal. Of course, no new people arrives, because the borders to Thailand are still closed, so it starts to be pretty empty with people on this island and most people are struggling.

For many months all beaches was closed so they have not been able to get into the water.

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Or this one in Laos that got shutdown. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/apr/07/vang-vieng-lao...

I was there 2 years ago, its a beautiful place. One of my fav in Laos. Shame it will be remember in years to come by those incidents.

Oh man I really loved Laos, I'd be interested in knowing about some other beautiful there. I went to Vang Vieng, did the tubing, left the food area half a hour before the cops rolled ~80 euros for $200usd. I could go on, that was a very strange first 24hrs. Best bit was riding out to some hill, having lunch and looking at a cave. I met some sketchy characters there though and I can't blame them for shutting it down, free local booze+ cheap booze+ river+ high rope jumps definitely led to some injuries.

Re: The Death of the Full Moon Party

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Digital nomads? They're digital colonists. It's colonialism in everything but name.

I probably shouldn't, but I'll bite: how does a dude with a laptop in a beachside cafe implement "the policy of a country seeking to extend or retain its authority over other people or territories, generally with the aim of economic dominance"? They're likely not even paying taxes to their home country.

The aim of colonialism (at least according to Adam Smith in The Wealth of Nations [1]) was to exploit the New World's resources in order to accumulate wealth. Extending authority over these territories was just a means to this end.

These days, rather than the Spanish Empire stripping South America of its gold and silver, it's individual workers emigrating to countries with a low cost of living to maximise their own personal wealth.

[1] https://oll.libertyfund.org/titles/119#Smith_0206-02_185

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After years of being against all of those visa-runners and digital nomads of all kinds I am a bit skeptical of Thai goverment actually wanting long-stay tourists.

Unpopular opinion: If you're a "digital nomad", you're not a tourist. You're working.

I think it is arguable[0] whether the (preexisting in many countries) letter of immigration law with blanket “do you work or not” actually aligns with the spirit of the law, which may have well been intended to be “do you work in our country” but was not written the former way because of remote work not being so widespread at the time.

I believe the smoke test for tourist status, as applied to digital nomads, is whether one’s customers/employer are companies with official representation in chosen country of residence. If not, they are (1) not stealing jobs from locals, and (2) actually boosting local economy, infusing it with cash earned overseas.

Possibly hinting at this are also recent programs in some countries[1] that in a way encourage “digital nomadism”, offering terms that are actually more beneficial compared to tourist status (e.g., longer stay times).

[0] Of course, this argument most likely won’t fly if the immigration officer is out to get you. IANAL.

[1] Georgia comes to mind

Re: The Death of the Full Moon Party

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I probably shouldn't, but I'll bite: how does a dude with a laptop in a beachside cafe implement "the policy of a country seeking to extend or retain its authority over other people or territories, generally with the aim of economic dominance"? They're likely not even paying taxes to their home country.

The aim of colonialism (at least according to Adam Smith in The Wealth of Nations [1]) was to exploit the New World's resources in order to accumulate wealth. Extending authority over these territories was just a means to this end. These days, rather than the Spanish Empire stripping South America of its gold and silver, it's individual workers emigrating to countries with a low cost of living to maximise their own p…

By this definition, any immigrant is a colonialist?

How exactly does this "exploit the New World's resources" given they will probably get less infrastructure than in their country of origin?

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In theory yes, although you probably want to declare yourself as tourist in many countries, unless you want to have some fun with local authorities.

.. until they find out you've been working without a visa, which (while unlikely) will result in even more "fun". (I do side-eye people who refer to westerners working illegally in the non-west as "digital nomads" while referring to non-westerners doing the same in the west as "illegals")

> while referring to non-westerners doing the same in the west as "illegals"

Do digital nomads have employers?

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The article mentions Thailand's plan to invite long-stay tourists willing to go through a 14-day quarantine on arrival. It was supposed to start this week, but was pushed back at last minute, officially because the arrangements were not ready but quite probably because they couldn't actually find enough interest. (In addition to the quarantine, you can only arrive by dedicated chartered aircraft!?) https://www.channe…

I think there could be enough interest if managed well, but unfortunately they make the process very complicated and then the quarantine is overly strict (you can't order food from outside, no alcohol, not allowed to open the windows) and other shenanigans like prebooking all hotels, wearing gps-wristbands. Most of the people interested in this already live in Thailand (but got stuck abroad unable to return) on touri…

> Most of the people interested in this already live in Thailand (but got stuck abroad unable to return) on tourist or other visas and would rent apartments, and not stay in hotel rooms.

Am in a similar predicament with my “base” in Hong Kong. It is very frustrating.

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After years of being against all of those visa-runners and digital nomads of all kinds I am a bit skeptical of Thai goverment actually wanting long-stay tourists.

They were actually quite tolerant of the visa runners. I used an organised service where they drove you to a park on the Myanmar border, you exited Thailand, 5 mins later re-entered Thailand, had a coffee then got the bus back. They could be like Europe and ban you for 90 days after you've been there for 90 days if they wanted to.

I'm thinking the real benefit of allowing people to stay given they do visa runs, is that it's a way of setting expectations. If you want to kick out someone who has lived in the country for a long time, you don't get as much resistance, since you were upfront about their stay being precarious.

Also I guess it makes it easy to do selective enforcement against troublesome people.

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After years of being against all of those visa-runners and digital nomads of all kinds I am a bit skeptical of Thai goverment actually wanting long-stay tourists.

Unpopular opinion: If you're a "digital nomad", you're not a tourist. You're working.

I do agree with you, but for Thailand (and many other countries) 'Digital nomad' isn't a thing. You are there either as a tourist, or you are there for business. If it is for business you will need to have a registered business, freelancing doesn't qualify.

I tried to fly there on a business visa but I wasn't able to get one because Thailand doesn't recognise a 'self employed' person as a business.

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