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Re: Police killings more likely in agencies that get military gear, data shows

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Are you really defending the police grenading a baby.

Are you really purposely using the wrong word to force the conversation to fit your narrative?

Wikipedia redirects "flashbang" to "stun grenade" and describes it as a "less lethal explosive device", so I'd say they're using the vernacular correctly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flashbang

Re: Police killings more likely in agencies that get military gear, data shows

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Or departments with more military gear are in more risky areas where the use of force is more likely. I could not read the article because it is blocked for me.

> Or departments with more military gear are in more risky areas where the use of force is more likely. Which, itself deserves a different study to understand whether risky areas lead to more use of force, or whether excessive use of force leads to police distrust, making areas more risky for police. There is probably no single causal path here. Use of force, aggressive police, police's fear of the public, the public…

Or government officials from Cuba and Venezuela have a good old laugh when they see everyone in Atlanta dying from oxies. And a lot of people here in America join up. Rich spoiled fools far removed from the brutality they cause.

Police do very little even with gun shots. Don't let the violence spread. Come back tomorrow morning and collect the casings.

Smart, because if you brought what really happens to the public, it would get out of control. The American public beats to death every foreign agent in the street. China invades Taiwan, Venezuela invades Columbia, Russia invades Belarus or Poland and we have a full on nuclear exchange.

Join up and stop it, or be quiet. You are in something way over your head. The people pushing this, like Soros, don't care. They care about the money and leave town first sign of trouble.

Re: Police killings more likely in agencies that get military gear, data shows

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The worst part about the police getting military gear is that the actual military has much stricter rules of engagement. With great power comes great responsibility.

Yep, even in a warzone, if a member of the US military killed somebody because they thought they were reaching for a gun, they would be court-martialed and put in jail, and then kicked out of the military after their sentence. The standard for police in the USA is appallingly low, and getting lower.

Come on dude, we've all seen the drone footage showing the US blowing people to pieces for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Re: Police killings more likely in agencies that get military gear, data shows

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Flashbangs. They are violent, but in a totally different class than actual hand grenades. No police in the US use hand grenades. The kid in the crib survived. Had it been an actual grenade ... not a survivable event. https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/05/baby-in-coma-...

Are you really defending the police grenading a baby.

No, he's defending flashbanging a baby.

Re: Police killings more likely in agencies that get military gear, data shows

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> In Georgia alone, police departments and sheriff’s offices have received more than 2,700 military rifles, night vision goggles and laser gun sights, and literally hundreds of armored vehicles, including more than two dozen mine-resistant vehicles built to fight the war on terror abroad. How else will they protect themselves in the dangerous minefields of Atlanta? /s I’m glad someone has put together the data on thi…

> How else will they protect themselves in the dangerous minefields of Atlanta? They could put the money into dealing with the social problems that cause it to be a "minefield". Their job is to protect citizens including criminals . They're not doing it properly if they're shooting people. And they're likely making people a lot more likely to shoot at them in the process.

It's funny you say that, because legally, the police have no requirement to protect people, as established by a long tail of caselaw; Gonzalez v. Castle Rock, DeShaney v. Winnebago County, and most recently Lozito v. New York City. Even in cases where you would think they were legally bound to protect you, e.g., if you had a restraining order against someone and called on the police to enforce it, the justice system in the US has found that they have no legal duty to do so.

Re: Police killings more likely in agencies that get military gear, data shows

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> They could put the money into dealing with the social problems that cause it to be a "minefield". I think you're missing the joke here, here's the relevant part of the gp: > > including more than two dozen mine-resistant vehicles built to fight the war on terror abroad. > How else will they protect themselves in the dangerous minefields of Atlanta?

Ah, I missed that.

Sorry about that. I’ve edited to add a /s.

Re: Police killings more likely in agencies that get military gear, data shows

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The question here, in my opinion, is whether we're looking at actual causation or simple correlation. Is this an example of, "receiving free coyote-colored tacticool gear and MRAPs prompts cops to become more aggressive, detached from the population they are ostensibly there to protect, and likely to unnecessarily end civilian lives in the course of doing their job"? Or is it an example of, "police departments with t…

Why does it matter which it is? Just ban police from purchasing military grade equipment.
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